the "Any incidence, or investigation?" question

[ikillbigfoot]

Anyone know this? My ASAP info pamphlet is AWOL and I'm visiting my folks right now.

I had a deviation last year Mayish time frame and filled out an ASAP. About 5 months later I recieved a letter saying there was no violation as I was protected under the ASAP.

So if I have an interview. Do I have to tell them yes, I have been investigated or can I say no, as there was no violation.

If I recall, I think that investigation is knowledge they could attain for about 2-3 years after the investigation.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Anyone know this? My ASAP info pamphlet is AWOL and I'm visiting my folks right now.

I had a deviation last year Mayish time frame and filled out an ASAP. About 5 months later I recieved a letter saying there was no violation as I was protected under the ASAP.

So if I have an interview. Do I have to tell them yes, I have been investigated or can I say no, as there was no violation.

If I recall, I think that investigation is knowledge they could attain for about 2-3 years after the investigation.

Here's the litmus test for this question:

Is there any record of the incident that someone outside the ASAP program can find? FAA administrative action? NTSB report? Word of mouth via Chief Pilot (though that would be illegal, but go ahead and prove he did it)?

If the answer is no to all of the above, then don't tell.

It kind of like the "have you ever had a ticket" question. If it's been long enough (7 years) that your NDR is clear, then the answer is no, and nobody can prove otherwise.

 

[theskyking]

I completely disagree. If you are going to lie about that, why not pad your logbook a little bit too? Why take the chance on not telling and missing the opportunity for whatever job you are interviewing for? Maybe they do have the information and are waiting to see how you handle it. Everybody agrees that the ASAP program is good for the industry. Nobody is perfect, and the object of the game is to learn from our mistakes and not repeat them. You present the situation, describe what happened, and then finish with how you are a better pilot now because of it.


I had an incident about 6 years ago and have never had any trouble getting a job by being fully honest about it.

 

[ikillbigfoot]

I like being honest, the problem was that I was surprised when I got a phone call and Just was saying no, no, no to DUI's, MV actions, criminal record stuff, and then they asked me about any accidents, violations, incidences or investigations by the FAA.

Well we completed an ASAP and it WAS INVESTIGATED, because 4 months later I recieved a letter saying after the investigation, and because of the ASAP program, there will be no violation.

There was no letter of warning. I never spoke w/ a fed, just the asap manager. I don't want to lie but if I already said no, thinking I was immune and that got dusted under the rug.

If its remains a gray area I want to call back the gal and tell her I made a mistake when I told her no; she will remember that I was in a hurry when I got the 5 questions interview, followed by a date for the real interview.

Iesh,...the stress.

 

[siucavflight]

Honesty is your best policy, you tell them, and they most likely wont care, but if they find out that you lied it very well may cost your your job in the future.

 

[captain dad]

Yes honesty is best. Don't lie just explain it. Be serious and professional. Always end the explanation with a positive like "it was a good learning experience". If you are preping for an interview may I suggest going even further.

1. Check your former training records from the airline you are flying for now.
2. Check with the DMV or sheriffs department and get a driving record as far back as possible
3. Check with your state's bureau of criminal investigations.

MAke sure all this info is correct and in order. I have heard stories of people having DUIs, assault, even terrorist threats on their record totally by mistake. Somebody making $8.00/hr entering data into a computer and transposes a SS#, checks the wrong box, or misspells a last name. It happens.

If an airlines finds something wrong they will assume you lied and were trying to cover for it. You never get a second chance. Take some time and look into it.

 

[Puck Mugger]

Anyone know this? My ASAP info pamphlet is AWOL and I'm visiting my folks right now.

I had a deviation last year Mayish time frame and filled out an ASAP. About 5 months later I recieved a letter saying there was no violation as I was protected under the ASAP.

So if I have an interview. Do I have to tell them yes, I have been investigated or can I say no, as there was no violation.

If I recall, I think that investigation is knowledge they could attain for about 2-3 years after the investigation.

You may want to try spelling "incidents" properly or else it may be moot.

 

[LearLove]

IF ASKED just tell them what happened, how you filled out an ASAP and how you learned and everybody was "safer" because of it.

Situation - Action - Result.

Use the force Luke and make it work for you in this post 911 touchy feely airline interview environment.

God where were the days when UAL or that Dresser guy from Coex yelled/screamed at you.

 

[just farmin]

I had a "deviation" some years ago, and fully disclosed it on my app and interview at a major. Even had the warning letter with me at my interview. Spent some time talking about it, but I was still hired. I think they realize that anyone with any sustantial amount of line experience has dicked up before. I went through the same debate as you, but in the end, total honesty was 100% the way to go. Besides being the right thing to do, It'd be lousy to get yanked out of groundschool because they discovered that you lied. My deviation was when I was SIC which might have helped. Good luck.
I learned too that ASRS only protects you from the "punishment" (ie suspended license etc) it DOES NOT keep the violation off your record.

 

[RJLooser]

God where were the days when UAL or that Dresser guy from Coex yelled/screamed at you.

Man, that's a blast from the past! I remember that dude!! They used to do the whole "good cop/bad cop" thing, right?

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

Tell the truth. Its better to explain what happened then have them find it later and have no explanation from you and they make up their own mind. I personaly know people that had multiple DUIs, fired for blowing a drug test and still moving on to the " majors ". Dont sweat it.

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

that Dresser guy from Coex yelled/screamed at you.

That basterd yelled at me for a hour, then smiled and said you hired.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Several airlines seem to have figured out how applicants are splitting hairs and are trying to ask questions in order to get any dirt they can. Air Apps and FedEx addendums ask if you have any history of accidents, incidents, or investigations.

It is unfortunate for us that airline presidents can be on their third DUI in a company vehicle without facing jeopardy, but let a pilot get a single altitude bust, or diversion from a taxi clearance and the switch can be flipped on their entire career in just an instant.

 

[Vspeeds]

Go Figure

Quote:

It is unfortunate for us that airline presidents can be on their third DUI in a company vehicle without facing jeopardy, but let a pilot get a single altitude bust, or diversion from a taxi clearance and the switch can be flipped on their entire career in just an instant.

Ain't that the truth!!!!

 

[siucavflight]

I think that we should look at my avatar

 

[PalmettoPilot]

If the FAA conducts an investigation they will send you, via certified mail, a Letter of Investigation. I would go with the advice of full disclosure though and take a copy of the paperwork you received with you to the interview.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I completely disagree. If you are going to lie about that, why not pad your logbook a little bit too? Why take the chance on not telling and missing the opportunity for whatever job you are interviewing for? Maybe they do have the information and are waiting to see how you handle it. Everybody agrees that the ASAP program is good for the industry. Nobody is perfect, and the object of the game is to learn from our mistakes and not repeat them. You present the situation, describe what happened, and then finish with how you are a better pilot now because of it.


I had an incident about 6 years ago and have never had any trouble getting a job by being fully honest about it.

Well before you start making accusations about the padding of logbooks, and telling other aviation lies, maybe you should excercize some reading and comprehension skills. The original poster said he filed an ASAP and received a letter from the FAA saying there was "no violation". ASAP is not an "investigation", and he recieved no LOI. So, as I said, the answer to his question is no, he has never had an incident, accident, or violation. And his record supports that statement.

If you're willing to flame an interview by admitting something you don't have to, then feel free to commit career darwinism for everyone else out there trying to get hired.