Thanks United! Southwest increases Love Departures

[Flopgut]

You tell them Bill


I am also sick of how the Southwest pilots always look at me ,smile and say "hi"


I realize I Am a second class pilot and I should be treated as such. Thanks to the DAL pilots who always look the other way when I or any of my crew walks past them .

You need a tissue?

 

[redflyer65]

Who's paying for those new gates at Hobby Flop? Taxpayers?

 

[outerlimits]

You need a tissue?

Hug ?


You can't be all that bad. Thanks for caring

 

[HowardBorden]

Any airline that wants to can come to IAH. DAL is tightly controlled and limited. It's apples to oranges.

If DAL is tightly controlled and limited you can thank Jim Wright. In his blatantly anti-competitive ammendment to the Air Transportation Competition Act of 1979 which ironically was produced to promote competition in air transportation. Under the cover of darkness without any notice, hearings, or the opportunity for public comment or informed debate, Wright attached an amendment to the law banning any airline from engaging in interstate air commerce from Love Field.

The Senate refused to go along, and forced a compromise known as the 1980 Wright Amendment to the International Air Transportation Competition Act which crafted the final language all are familiar with.

The repeal legislation is what artificially limits Love to 20 gates. The 2001 master plan for Love called for 32 total gates. With 32 gates there would be plenty of room for all willing entrants to Love. instead Love has 37% less gates thanks to Jim Wright. The repeal legislation of Wrights anti-competitive amendment again produces artificial constraints on Love to protect DFW from normal competition.

Again, even in repeal, the Wright Ammendment artificially impedes growth of ANY airline at Dallas Love Field.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Call it what I will?

Okay, I'll call it this: you made statements about Southwest at both Dallas Love and Houston Hobby that were absolutely, positively wrong. And like Flop, of course, you're purposely vague, and cannot show a single fact, nor document a single bit of your anti-SWA drivel in that post.

Lemme guess: like Flop, you also somehow believe one or more of these absurd things about that the Wright Amendment; stupid crap that I've actually heard claimed multiple times on Flight Info (primarily by Flop, of course):
- that it was some sort of "compromise" that SWA entered into to settle a dispute over where airlines could fly to/from in the Dallas area.
- that SWA "signed" or even helped "negotiate" the agreement to signify our assent.
- that the WA somehow "helped" or "protected" Southwest, or even that it was "the only reason Southwest was successful."

Tell me the truth, Driver--do you believe this crap too?

Bubba

What I believe is there is no such thing as a free lunch. For you, denial ain't just a river in Egypt. SWA does have a unique skill and that is to avoid "most" direct competition with other airlines. There's no letter or article to back this up. We and everyone else see it every day. Kudos for SWA. The point is when things like DAL being striped of gates and SWA pulling out of IAH and years later having a terminal built south of town, this also doesn't need literature to back up the obvious.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Ask any airport manager about which airline pays tts bills. Practically every airline except SWA has fallen way behind followed by bankruptcy, sometimes multiple times. They get to keep their gates. I would call that special treatment!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

You tell them Bill


I am also sick of how the Southwest pilots always look at me ,smile and say "hi"


I realize I Am a second class pilot and I should be treated as such. Thanks to the DAL pilots who always look the other way when I or any of my crew walks past them .

It sounds to me like you have an inferiority complex that could use some couchtime.

If your day is spent roasting over whether or not someone says "hi" to you...you got a lot of problems.

I say hi to all pilots in the terminal....unless they are Southwest! JOKE...throttle back Bubba

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Ask any airport manager about which airline pays tts bills. Practically every airline except SWA has fallen way behind followed by bankruptcy, sometimes multiple times. They get to keep their gates. I would call that special treatment!

Then again ask those same managers which airline basically built their airport from the ground up almost 90 years ago....meanwhile Herb was doodling on a napkin while DFW was an infant and all the other airlines were paying all the bills. You are welcome

 

[FlyinGuy]

What I believe is there is no such thing as a free lunch. For you, denial ain't just a river in Egypt. SWA does have a unique skill and that is to avoid "most" direct competition with other airlines. There's no letter or article to back this up. We and everyone else see it every day. Kudos for SWA. The point is when things like DAL being striped of gates and SWA pulling out of IAH and years later having a terminal built south of town, this also doesn't need literature to back up the obvious.

DAL has to leave Love because of the "agreement". Why do you think that VA left DFW? Why did AT give up the DFW gates after they were bought?

DAL could try and keep gates at both airports, but according to Flop once a law is signed it can never be challenged!! Then again, it might only be SWA that is not allowed to lobby for change.?

 

[Chest Rockwell]

I cannot see a valid point there. Should there be an entry fee to get into the airline biz for those who weren't around on 1925?

It is just a fact of life. A company that is managed well and pays its bill on time will likely get better treatment than one that is poorly managed and behind on its rent.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Oh really Chest?

Ancient history....look at the latest profit sharing statements? Nobody "is behind on their rent" and nobody gets better treatment from an airport because of something a decade earlier.

Glad the Bankruptcy code is written so airlines and pilots like you can brag (to anybody who will listen) about it like your airline is a trailblazer.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

A Southwest Pilot, a Vegan, and a crossfitter walked into the bar today...how do I know? Because they told everybody who would listen by the first minute in the door.

I was impressed

 

[Ex737Driver]

A Southwest Pilot, a Vegan, and a crossfitter walked into the bar today...how do I know? Because they told everybody who would listen by the first minute in the door.

I was impressed

Oh crap. Now that's funny.

 

[outerlimits]

A Southwest Pilot, a Vegan, and a crossfitter walked into the bar today...how do I know? Because they told everybody who would listen by the first minute in the door.

I was impressed

I am impressed on how early you start your drinking at a bar .


I guess you like to say it Past 11 AM somewhere


And that's if your on EST.

 

[The Prussian]

If DAL is tightly controlled and limited you can thank Jim Wright. In his blatantly anti-competitive ammendment to the Air Transportation Competition Act of 1979 which ironically was produced to promote competition in air transportation. Under the cover of darkness without any notice, hearings, or the opportunity for public comment or informed debate, Wright attached an amendment to the law banning any airline from engaging in interstate air commerce from Love Field.

The Senate refused to go along, and forced a compromise known as the 1980 Wright Amendment to the International Air Transportation Competition Act which crafted the final language all are familiar with.

The repeal legislation is what artificially limits Love to 20 gates. The 2001 master plan for Love called for 32 total gates. With 32 gates there would be plenty of room for all willing entrants to Love. instead Love has 37% less gates thanks to Jim Wright. The repeal legislation of Wrights anti-competitive amendment again produces artificial constraints on Love to protect DFW from normal competition.

Again, even in repeal, the Wright Ammendment artificially impedes growth of ANY airline at Dallas Love Field.

I agree...and IMO, too much emphasis is placed on the competition between American and Southwest, rather than between Tarrant and Dallas counties. What is lost is Fort Worth and Tarrant county's insistence on DFW straddling Dallas and Tarrant county lines in order for Fort Worth to capture roughly half the tax revenue generated from airport operations. Attempts to thwart Southwest at Love failed in the courts, so little wonder Jim Wright of Fort Worth tried to severely limit Southwest's potential siphoning of tax revenue back into Dallas county via Love Field operations.