Thanks Mesa

[FurloughedAgain]

NO Flowthrough for Mesa

The contract carriers have no flowthrough rights whatsoever according to attachments B and B-3 of the US Airways restructuring agreement.

Not to the wholly-owneds, not to MidAtlantic, and certainly not to US Airways.

ONLY the participating wholly owneds will be a part of the flowthrough. An integrated wholly-owned seniority list will be created and that list will be used to provide flowthrough opportunities to MidAtlantic.

Wholly-owned pilots will bring their longevity for pay/benefits to MidAtlantic.

MidAtlantic pilots may then flowthrough to US Airways in seniority order. They do not bring longevity to US Airways.

This is an precedent-setting unrestricted flowthrough -- the first of its kind in the industry. It essentially creates a single seniority list at US Airways GROUP (not Mesa) in which the most junior airplane, at the present time, is the Dornier 328.

So why would Mesa sign on to J4J? They get nothing out of it!

Answer: It is the ONLY way that they will be awarded any additional US Airways RJ growth. Not one single RJ can be added to the US Airways code without participation in J4J.

If Mesa adds 20 RJs that equals approximately 200 pilots.
100 Mesa Pilots -- 100 US Airways Furloughees
50 Mesa Captains, 50 Mesa F/Os
50 Furloughee Captains, 50 Furloughee F/Os.

They benefit only by creating 50 upgrades.

Also, as you know, once the US Airways furloughees leave the property (are recalled, go to MidAtlantic, etc.) the RJs are permitted to remain at Mesa.

If you have any further question see your LEC or MEC representative and ask to see a copy of the US Airways pilots restructuring agreement.

 

[vere76]

Where arre they getting these 20 Crj 200? Are they pulling them from AWE if so are they adding the freedoms 70 seaters to make up for th 20 there pulling?

 

[tintube]

"Where are they getting these 20 Crj 200? Are they pulling them from AWE if so are they adding the freedoms 70 seaters to make up for th 20 there pulling?"

-It is my understanding that these will be new aircraft and they are working on the financing. Keep in mind that there has not much info about the additional flying, neither from management or our union.
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"This announcement comes at a time when JO wants to get better bargining power over you, and so before you guys start rushing off signing J4J's keep in mind that these 20 aircraft are part of the planes that have already been grandfathered from the LOA79 to LOA81. Inotherwords, your going to get them anyway without having to sign J4Js."

-Maybe you are right BTD, frankly it is rather confusing to keep track of all the changes, about LOA79 /LOA81 etc,etc.....
Maybe someone can give me a links to the current LOA81 ( or can I call it a proposal? I assume it has not been signed yet... ) because I do not think the 20 new RJs will be availabe to anyone not taking part of the J4J deal. Further I can recall reading ( in a earlier LOA81 proposal ) that any additional RJ's up to and including 50 seates COULD be given to ANY companies the U management find suitable. ( WO or not ) Only larger RJ's HAVE to be flown by MA pilots. Based on this I said ( or meant to say...) there is no reason for a Mesa pilot to resign Mesa to work @ a WO / MA to get a mainline job. There are many easier way to get that kind of jobs.......

 

[FurloughedAgain]

LOA81 Does Not Exist!!!

Guys,

I'm getting really tired of explaining this so PLEASE call your local counsel reps and get the REAL story.

LOA81 does not exist!!! LOA81 was superceded by the US Airways pilots restructuring agreement and WAS signed by Duane Woerth. Ok?

So no more talk about LOA81 because it has nothing to do with the topic. Ok?

All 70 Jets authorised under LOA79 are currently being flown by Mesa, TSA, and Chautauqua and are grandfathered. ANY additional RJs (nomatter the size) must be flown by participating (in J4J) carriers.

 

[BoredToDeath]

Furloughed Again,

Geezz man take it easy, thank you for the info it is appreciated. I have only partial copies of this agreement so somethings are not as clear as others, and I can't read "Lawyer".

As far as talking with my reps, I'm way ahead of you. I did that the day I heard Daves announcement. And according to him, U currently only has 50 or so SJ's currently in the system and these 20 that he is referring to are meant to bring that number up to the 70 that is already allowed without J4J. They were unsure of Daves intentions in his announcing an agreement between Mesa and U when everyone knows there is no such agreement.

 

[lear24]

How many folks are furloughed from U mainline? With PSA, PDT, ALG, MIDWAY, MIDATL, and now Mesa all in the j4j....is there enough mainliners on furlough to occupy 50% of all these airplanes that have been promised?

Is j4j a good thing for these airlines?

No airplanes have been promised at all. The only thing that has been promised is pay cuts and reduction of turboprop flying in the future. For all we know they could give Mesa even more RJ permission and totally screw the wholly owneds.

1500 on furlough, I think was the last number I heard for the near future... I think that's just plenty of mainline pilots to staff 187 RJs, bringing the total combined RJ number to 375. I doubt they will actually operate that many, and I don't know how it works if mainline guys do not want to participate. I am sure not all 1500 will want to fly RJs.

As the WO's get rid of turboprops, and jets (MIGHT) come on the property, we're going to be laying off. This is not a good deal, we need two RJs for every one turboprop that gets parked just to keep the current seniority list at work.

We agreed to it because 57% of our pilot group is scared with all the propaganda and threats of liquidation that have been spread throughout. It's a mess and who knows which way it will turn out. If we had been given a minimum fleet size or schedule for RJs (two for one turboprop replacements), it would have been great. (Except for that pesky pay cut and 7 year contract with garbage wages, of course).

 

[PGTB]

More Mesa?

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

On a related note.......Gas prices hit $1.30 a gallon this week. And Dodge introduced it's new styling on the Ram truck line.

 

[AirBadger]

On a related note.......Gas prices hit $1.30 a gallon this week. And Dodge introduced it's new styling on the Ram truck line.

:laugh:

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Yeah, ya think there will be a shooting war in IRAQ? discuss amongst yourselves...

 

[User546]

Yeah, ya think there will be a shooting war in IRAQ? discuss amongst yourselves...

Did you mean Afghanistan? The raghead that bombed the Twin Towers was from Afghanistan, not Iraq.

 

[Cardinal]

I wonder who's next in bankruptcy court? My guess is Delta, maybe Northwest.

 

[meanstreak]

This post is from 2002. I don't get it..............

 

[taloft]

More Mesa?

I nominate PGTB for the 4 year-old Mesa thread resurrection award. <golfclap>