Thanks For another Cool Open House Jet Blue!

[AAflyer]

You may be correct. However, an e-mail to the PVC and management would do a heck of alot more than not helping the FA's cross belts in the back. When you don't cross the belts do you go back and let them all know that your not helping out to protest your pay and such? Do you keep track of how many flights you don't help out on that go out late, then send that info to management. In order for something to get a point across, it has to be something that is noticed by those you are protesting against. You not helping the FA's out is only going to be noticed by them, NOT management. The FA's are not the problem here so why should we make their day worse?

I thought the seat belt folding was an*option* and according to some pilots, many do not do it. What's up? Are you serious about FAs gettgin pissed you are not in the back with them cleaning? Seriously. I am asking a legitamite question.

AA

 

[JBPA]

I thought the seat belt folding was an*option* and according to some pilots, many do not do it. What's up? Are you serious about FAs gettgin pissed you are not in the back with them cleaning? Seriously. I am asking a legitamite question.

AA

I think most help out. Technically (depending on who you believe), it is not policy. And yes, some FA's get pissed when you don't help out. I said some, not all. I usually help out if time is not an issue. However, the 'policy' that makes me angry is that non-revvers are expected to help clean at the end of the flight. The 'policy' is to 'clean your row and go...', but it has unoffically evolved into helping clean the entire airplane. I've received more glaring looks when walking off the airplane after a commute (even though I cleaned my row - and flew in from a redeye) than when I'm actually working. I no longer commute in uniform.

 

[FADEC]

I have a better idea why dont you have a day glow orange vest silkscreened in big black letters with your current struggle that way people will know in advance that you are some kind of A$$hole BEFORE they fly a pairing with you

So clickclickboom, now you have resorted to calling me an ***********************************. Thanks very much. Evidently its your way or the highway. I respect your viewpoint so perhaps you should extend the same courtesy. It might surprise you but I'm a really nice guy to fly with I have just reached a point where I feel undervalued. Perhaps one day with my seniority you may get to fly with me. Now if you really want to insult me please email me with your details and we can take care of insults privately.

 

[Longhorn]

Jesus guys.....Its bad enought that we have people on here to hijack the thread and turn it into a JB bashing session but PLEASE, lets not start fighting with eachother on FI. We are a more professional group than that. Everyone has their own opinion here and we are intitled to it, so if you dont like someone else's viewpoint, just agree to disagree...not start an internal war over it.

 

[elag777]

Unfortunately this will be my personal way to protest the continued stonewalling by this management. I really don't care if it comes across as childish, this is what I have personally elected to do to show my personal disdain. What do you suggest that we do elag777, continue to play along with the stall tactics. As far as emailing the PVG, who elected them in the first to negotiate any one's compensation package I know you or I didn't. As I mentioned earlier I really like JB but somewhere along the way you have to draw a line in the sand. The truth be told, we are hiring now more for attrition than growth. Spin it whatever way you want but JB has become a stepping stone for many.

Draw a line in the sand box more like, and yes it does sound childish but I do however see your point of view. Although the only people that you will effect are the ones you fly with.
As for the stall tactics you feel are apparent, I think you should take a long look at what has happened over the last 18 months. While I agree that the PCG (I think you mean) was created for the right reasons it was clearly implemented incorrectly. Never was it going to negotiate any one's pay package, that was not the reason the group was created. It was to do a industry comparison, no more.
B6 has had to do its share of damage control over the last year turning a 2Q loss of over 100mil into a pre-tax profit for 06. You feel that this should have been a lower priority, putting company solvency below pay packages. Without the first there will be no second, somewhat moot if you think of it that way. Then of course there was the infamous V Day debacle! but again it seems you feel events of the past few months are less important than addressing pilot concerns.
Like I said, I agree that things appear to be the way you may interpret them. You have to see that the priority here is to stabilize growth and return the company to the financial record of years gone by. With that a certain amount of growing up has to be done on both sides. I am not hooked on the "hype" but I believe that waiting a little longer will pay off in the end.
We could however be waiting a whole lot longer if we were to let a certain organisation negotiate for the group.

Good luck.

 

[clickclickboom]

So clickclickboom, now you have resorted to calling me an ***********************************. Thanks very much. Evidently its your way or the highway. I respect your viewpoint so perhaps you should extend the same courtesy. It might surprise you but I'm a really nice guy to fly with I have just reached a point where I feel undervalued. Perhaps one day with my seniority you may get to fly with me. Now if you really want to insult me please email me with your details and we can take care of insults privately.

Calm down friend I just think you are wrong. We are on the same team here making it harder on your other players is not a way to solve this issue. There isnt anything that I could think would be more counter productive to our cause then for you to retaliate by not working with your crew.

After landing load the MCDU or get the walk around done grab the white bag on the co pilots armrest walk back smile and pick up a few headsets offer to pick up lunch for the FA's and you will be the winner everytime.

I was not calling you an AH I was making a statement that stressed the perception that others may or may not have given your choices.

Peace

 

[SonicPig]

You may be correct. However, an e-mail to the PVC and management would do a heck of alot more than not helping the FA's cross belts in the back. When you don't cross the belts do you go back and let them all know that your not helping out to protest your pay and such? Do you keep track of how many flights you don't help out on that go out late, then send that info to management. In order for something to get a point across, it has to be something that is noticed by those you are protesting against. You not helping the FA's out is only going to be noticed by them, NOT management. The FA's are not the problem here so why should we make their day worse?

Read my post will you? I agree with you on the belts.

The Pig.

 

[SonicPig]

Draw a line in the sand box more like, and yes it does sound childish but I do however see your point of view. Although the only people that you will effect are the ones you fly with.
As for the stall tactics you feel are apparent, I think you should take a long look at what has happened over the last 18 months. While I agree that the PCG (I think you mean) was created for the right reasons it was clearly implemented incorrectly. Never was it going to negotiate any one's pay package, that was not the reason the group was created. It was to do a industry comparison, no more.
B6 has had to do its share of damage control over the last year turning a 2Q loss of over 100mil into a pre-tax profit for 06. You feel that this should have been a lower priority, putting company solvency below pay packages. Without the first there will be no second, somewhat moot if you think of it that way. Then of course there was the infamous V Day debacle! but again it seems you feel events of the past few months are less important than addressing pilot concerns.
Like I said, I agree that things appear to be the way you may interpret them. You have to see that the priority here is to stabilize growth and return the company to the financial record of years gone by. With that a certain amount of growing up has to be done on both sides. I am not hooked on the "hype" but I believe that waiting a little longer will pay off in the end.
We could however be waiting a whole lot longer if we were to let a certain organisation negotiate for the group.

Good luck.

How long do we wait? 1 year, 2 maybe 3?

 

[BigMeat]

I worked hard earning a college degree, flying crap, driving crap, eating crap all so one day I could make it to the big leagues. 13 years of hardship and I have finally made it. Me helping out after a flight should not be expected but instead appreciated. I didnt work this hard for so long to pick up someones garbage. Flight attendants earned there place after several weeks of training. Before that they could have been working at McDonalds. We are pilots not cabin cleaners. If you choose so then thats fine. Dont expect me to do it because you will be sorely dissappointed. Flame away....

 

[Blue Dude]

No argument here. After the leg, I either pack up or get ready for the next leg, including preflight flow and loading the box. If after all that, *if* I don't have to commute home, *and* after the passengers are all off, there is still cleaning going on, I'll scoop a seatback pocket or two.

On an inbound commute, if I have plenty of time, I'll grab some gloves and help out once the passengers are off. On the home commute, I clean my row and go. I figure I've already done my part at that point, and given that I have already been off duty for several hours and I'm still not home, I'm outta there.

Even when I'm working, I do my stuff first and I don't clean in front of customers. Those are my personal standards and yours may vary. It means I don't clean very much, but then, that's not my job and neither is it the image I wish to present to the paying customers.

 

[flying bubba]

Blue Dude, I agree 100%. I never let the passengers see me picking up either. One thing that I might do different is if its the last leg or aircraft swap, and ALL OF MY STUFF IS DONE, I will go back and get the female FA's rollerboards out of the overheads and put them in the jetway. They seem to appreciate that awhole lot more than cleaning.

As a sidenote, I said female as I tried to move a guys bag once and he gave me attitude with " what, you think just because we are FA's we cant lift our own luggage?". With that I have never lifted another guys rollerboard, not even to help out.

 

[Guam360]

I was flying with some 'Captain America" dude the other day on a EWR turn, and he flew it in, so it was my turn, being a good FO and trying to get it all done before he gets back and all correct with the 350 radial out of COL in there and everything. Before he stepped out of the cockpit he mentioned something about cleaning. I completely assumed he meant after I was ready, you know loading the box etc., He said he'd get the walk around, and coffee at Starbucks if I wanted anything, ok cool.

So, before I even stood up for a pis$, I loaded the freakin thing, did the ops up to bag/pax, charts out, set up the FCU(heading, altitude, etc.) ready to go.

he pops his head in and says, "I meant we clean the cabin first then do this, this can be done in 5 minutes". I said, "are you serious, I thought you were kidding". As he was staring at me, and thinking are you crazy or just so screwed up.

It was totally weird, I wanted to ask, "did you do the walk around yet?"

Turns out he did the walk, came up to help clean and then bitch#d me out.

He sits down and I said I was ready if he was, I felt good everything was done and all ready to brief, so we could drink coffee.

We briefed it up and then I asked about the coffee he offered and then he said, "You don't need that, we need to get out on time." I was baffled. we had like 15 or 20 minutes. we briefed, the cabin was clean, he was in commando in charge...I could fly in there, grab a couple lattes and be right back in 10 minutes. BUT NOOOOOOOO. So just before the GSE deal , I stood up for a pis$. I had to get away for just a couple minutes anyway.

I persoanlly clean when I have time which is usually the case, pretty much like Blue Dude does is my habit and fair to the back crew and the operation.

Anyway, 1 out of 600 or 700 Captains, however many there are in JFK on the 320.

 

[mjw]

That's why I am leaving ..The above thread is the majority of the Captains at Jetblue. I have been recalled at a real airline where I am treated with respect and not everyone is a crewmember.The Captains here must throw there authority around in the cockpit because it is the only place they have it..Gate Agents rate better here. Good luck to anyone who steps foot on this property and if u weren't hired at the open house you must really have a problem.Everyone I know that attended was offered a job the following day! Does anyone out there know if they will pursue me for not binding my 5 year contract?

 

[aewanabe]

That's why I am leaving ..The above thread is the majority of the Captains at Jetblue. I have been recalled at a real airline where I am treated with respect and not everyone is a crewmember.The Captains here must throw there authority around in the cockpit because it is the only place they have it..Gate Agents rate better here. Good luck to anyone who steps foot on this property and if u weren't hired at the open house you must really have a problem.Everyone I know that attended was offered a job the following day! Does anyone out there know if they will pursue me for not binding my 5 year contract?

Flamebait.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

I help clean i nthe cabin and Im a regional dude. but of course Im looking for an Ipod, bose headsets, gameboys, sony psp...you know, the important stuff in life.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

I've never seen such a kiss a$$ post worse than this...BRUTAL!

 

[Sailpilot]

I worked hard earning a college degree, flying crap, driving crap, eating crap all so one day I could make it to the big leagues. 13 years of hardship and I have finally made it. Me helping out after a flight should not be expected but instead appreciated. I didnt work this hard for so long to pick up someones garbage. Flight attendants earned there place after several weeks of training. Before that they could have been working at McDonalds. We are pilots not cabin cleaners. If you choose so then thats fine. Dont expect me to do it because you will be sorely dissappointed. Flame away....

You took the thoughts right out of my mind from the last month. I used to be the "Blue can do guy". Then I was around row 12 and looked down into my seatback pocket with blue gloves over my hands. The gloves, the cleaning... am I a janitor? I'm a pilot making $12 an hour less then Frontier's same scale and also a janitor for free? They arleady have the cheap pilot but the janitor quit that day.

I finished college while flying rjs 100 hrs a month and raising 2 kids. I suffered finanical hardship and time with family to achieve my goals. Let the FA and gate agents endure to make thenselves better. I went to school and learned how to fly so that I didn't have to be a "trash picker, ditch digger or cleaner". I endured my hardship in the past to be able to not to endure cleaning up after the pigs in the back. Now let the FA and gate endure their hardship till they realize the they need to better their situation and do something towards a real profession. (I don't claim to be better than anyone personally, however... our career and profession must be!)

 

[737 Pylt]

This whole thread has been seriously entertaining.....:beer:
Thanks for the laughs!:laugh:

737

 

[Bavarian Chef]

That's why I am leaving ..The above thread is the majority of the Captains at Jetblue. I have been recalled at a real airline where I am treated with respect and not everyone is a crewmember.The Captains here must throw there authority around in the cockpit because it is the only place they have it..Gate Agents rate better here. Good luck to anyone who steps foot on this property and if u weren't hired at the open house you must really have a problem.Everyone I know that attended was offered a job the following day! Does anyone out there know if they will pursue me for not binding my 5 year contract?

You don't even have a jetblue airplane in your profile.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

You took the thoughts right out of my mind from the last month. I used to be the "Blue can do guy". Then I was around row 12 and looked down into my seatback pocket with blue gloves over my hands. The gloves, the cleaning... am I a janitor? I'm a pilot making $12 an hour less then Frontier's same scale and also a janitor for free? They arleady have the cheap pilot but the janitor quit that day.

I finished college while flying rjs 100 hrs a month and raising 2 kids. I suffered finanical hardship and time with family to achieve my goals. Let the FA and gate agents endure to make thenselves better. I went to school and learned how to fly so that I didn't have to be a "trash picker, ditch digger or cleaner". I endured my hardship in the past to be able to not to endure cleaning up after the pigs in the back. Now let the FA and gate endure their hardship till they realize the they need to better their situation and do something towards a real profession. (I don't claim to be better than anyone personally, however... our career and profession must be!)

BS! You clean if it helps you get laid! Clown College is not college btw.

How many LUV pilots do the very exact thing we are oft maligned of? That's right, they get paid more so it's okay.

Good seeing you the other day - sp. Nice to see your tanning bed still works (haaa).