Thank You Ralph Nader!

[HoursHore]

Capt Tex
I am sure there are some Viper drivers in SKF that would like to talk to you about your avatar.

Those who can't, mock

 

[Tim47SIP]

Cpt Dik-I mean Tex

So what is your background. What unit did you serve in. I am sure you were a war hero with lots of medals. I am sure you served your country proudly which gives you the credibility to mock the National Guard or for any other Veteran out there that did't serve in that war during that period.

 

[merikeyegro]

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Kids - Nader has to get on the ballot first. He doesn't have the Greens this year and has very little support. Many of his old supporters just plain don't like the thought of him giving another election to Bush. Yes, Gore was a moron and should have won anyway. However, FL was won by 537 votes and Nader got 97,000. Let's say that half of them would not have voted at all and the others would have voted for, primarily, Gore. Gore would be president...and we'd all be hugging trees. Nonetheless, Bush would not be in office and this race would be a little different.

Nader will have a tough time getting on ballots. This is NOT 2000 and he has very little support. If he pulls 0.5%, I'll be surprised. Kerry is liberal enough. Get behind him and go for it.

 

[jarhead]

Why will no one state how many votes Pat Buchannan "siphoned" away from Bush? Is that not the same logic as Nader taking votes from Gore?

 

[surplus1]

Why will no one state how many votes Pat Buchannan "siphoned" away from Bush? Is that not the same logic as Nader taking votes from Gore?

I doubt Buchannan siphoned any significant number of votes from Bush. However when thousands of voters from a County that is predominantly Jewish casts votes for Buchannan, there's a fly in the ointment somewhere. That constituency simply doesn't vote for Christian right wing candidate whatever his name may be.

Since both Bush and Buchannan are "bible belt" candidates supported by the Pat Robertson's and Jerry Falwells of the world it raises eyebrows when a predominantly Jewish population votes for the Christian right-wing poster boys. Especially when they have "one of their own" on the opposing ballot.

That one has an "odor" that can be whiffed as far away as Patagonia.

 

[jarhead]

My cousin and his wife retired in Florida several years ago. He has told me that both he and his wife voted for Pat Buchannan. (They're both non practicing Lutherans) So, I know at least two people who voted for Pat Buchannan. There surly must be more than that. What was the margin of defeat for Al Gore? 514 wasn't it?

I really am not concerned with an answer to what was really meant to be a rhetorical comment. So many seem to think that any votes given to Ralph Nader, belonged to Al Gore. My contention is that they did not belong to anyone except Nader. Ralph did not steal (or "Siphon") any votes. They were given to him by individual voters. Some, I suspect, did so due to the other choices boiled down to casting their vote for "Dumb and Dumber".
No offense to the actors in that film is intended.

 

[surplus1]

I will, however, set you straight.

I have no problem with your support for George, but the idea that you are setting anyone straight is at best an oxymoron.

The Florida court had been cautioned by the Supremes to not try and "cherry pick" certain counties for recounts. These counties were seen as being likely places where the Florida democrats could maneuver the recount to fit their agenda. The Supremes said no, this wasn't within the scope of their judicial mandate, and the election stood, as finished.

There was a problem, in the view of the US Supreme Court, with a recount by "selected counties." However, that was not an error of the Florida Supreme Court, it was an error on the part of legal counsel for Gore. The Florida court did not come up with the "cherry pick" concept. It was the lawyer's idea to request a recount limited to specific counties as opposed to state wide, not the Florida courts. You can state the facts without attempts to mislead.

So, this idea tha the Supreme Court "placed" Bush in office is whimsical democrat storytelling, or as the rest of us know it, a LIE.

Again you "spin" events to suit your side of the storytelling. If the Supreme Court was interested in a fair procedure for recounting the Florida votes, it could easily have ordered a state-wide recount which it said would be legitimate. Instead it voted five to four to decide the election, thus depriving the people of their franchise and forever casting a shadow on the legitimacy of the election and the current President. That reality does not change regardless of whether you supported Bush or Gore.

Additionally, other courts in Florida, headed by judges of Republican persuasion, allowed the counting of thousands of absentee ballots that did not comply with Florida election law. Had those illegal votes been outcast, the election may have had a different outcome. We don't know.

Like it or not, the truth is that the "people of Florida" did not elect George Bush. The courts, the head of the state's electoral commission, the governor and the state police, more than did their part to ensure who would emerge the victor in a very close election.

It is of course merely a coincidence that all of those entities happen to be dominated or controlled by the current president's political party. (You see, I can spin doctor too.)

Back to the thread topic, Nader just made a speech at the National Press Club. He used all of the expected keywords, such as "big business", "worker", "corporate", "private financing", and a whole laundry list of other words that are part and parcel to any good socialist call-to-arms.
God bless this man.

Based on past experience with your rhetoric, I know that if I had said the equivalent with respect to the mantra of neoconservatism and GWB's right-wing club, at this point you would be calling me a "hate-America- first, left-wing liberal extremist and questioning my patriotism.

What should I call you?

 

[merikeyegro]

Blinded by the right.

 

[surplus1]

Priceless!

 

[flying4life]

I know this is flightinfo.com, but religion and politics ...why not.
As far as finding the right guy for the dems goes... the stuff that comes out of their mouths... "We don't care who, just as long as he beats GWB." I'll tell ya, that's best for the country (NOT). "We don't care what the guy stands for, or what his positions are just so he takes out GWB." What kind of joke is this, is this the best dems can come up with? That's the dumbest stuff I've ever heard.
Oh I can already hear it... "That's just how bad we want him out." Yea ok, just throw anybody in there, we'll take care of the rest. I'm voting for GWB because he is GWB. Not because he can beat the other guy, his chances are the best..etc. To listen to the democrat runners... as they bowed out (except for Clark).."I'll support whoever gets the nomination." You guys don't care who's there, you'll support anyone.... that's sad!