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FAMILYMANOK

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I wanted to tell all of the ACTIVE Delta Pilots just how much my family appreciated the Christmas Check from the Emergency Fund. I realize it was not a lot to many people, but it was needed, and appreciated by this furloughed family. I am sad that the Delta Family is dead, but it puts a smile on my face to know that the pilots have not forgotten my family and I. I also want to say thank you to all of the Delta Connection PIlots who are out there working the holidays also. You are also in my prayers. It is a sad state that we have gotten into, major airline pilot hating small jet pilot, small jet pilot hating major airline pilot. It makes me sick. I worked at a regional airline for seven years before coming to Delta, a dream come true. I still have so many friends from Airlink/Pinacle. There is one pilot I wanted to tell you all about. I really cared for this guy and his family very much. He came there and washed out once. I worked my butt off to get him another interview, I joined the flight training department so that I could be there to train him myself should he get another chance. We worked together in the simulator, and he passed his second time with flying colors. I was so happy to see his dream come true of becoming an airline pilot! As he made his way to the line, I left and went to Delta. Today I feel I have lost this friend totally. I can tell he looks at me as the enemy. He talks to me and tells me I am trying to take his career away! I would give this guy the shirt of my back!!! I have accepted the fact that there will never be peace between Delta Pilots and Delta Connection! It's unfortunate, it's sad! and it is out of control and very very inmature! I wanted to tell you all this because even though I have lost my Delta Pilot Job and do not know when I will ever get it back, even though I hear Delta Connection wishing death to the Delta Pilots, even though I am earning $10 an hour at my new career, I do not hold any ill will to anyone!! I know my new years wish will be an end to the fighting, and peace with the small (but increasingly larger) jet Delta Connection Pilots. My hands out if you care to take it.

GOD Bless You All
Merry Christmas.

AWC
Furloughed Delta Pilot
 
Not all of us!

Famillyman
Just to let you know, the DCI pilots you are talking about are a very small minority, expecially at ASA. At ASA, we have our differences, but in no way wish ill will on any mainline pilot furloughed or not. We are the same familly, at least that is how we see it. Your freinds views are obviously flawed and I am sorry he is acting that way. But most ASA pilots do not feel that way. Personally, I hope you come on over and join us at ASA untill your recall. We can always use qualified guys like yourself.

Aditionally, where can I get info on contributing to the Delta Pilots Emergency Family fund? I would like to help our furloughed freinds anyway I can. Hope all of you furloughed guys get back to work ASAP. Merry Christmas, Tim. ;)
 
Thanks a lot for your kind words. I realize that the most cruel comments are coming from a minority of pilots. I just am blown away, and totally shocked that any pilot, (major, or small/medium size jet) would take pleasure in the furlough of any pilot. Let me tell you, I never in a million years believed that I would be where I am today. In addition, I never thought that I would see the industry the way it is today. I am not shocked so much by the huge losses and bancruptcies, if you look back to the early 90s, Delta lost hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars a year, for several years. What I am shocked by is the total lack of compassion of pilots today. It seems everyone is just out to look out for themselves. Senority, scope, list integration etc. I am shocked by Connection pilots/pilot rejecting commuting Delta Pilots access to a jumpseat because of scope. I am shocked by our pilots not considering Connection pilots' futures. I am hurt and tired of all the Regional Jet Coalition threads etc. etc. I appreciate the Connection Pilots, I realize the professionals they are, I want the world for them! But I also am torn at the thaught of possibly loosing my home now after 8 months of furlough and no prospects for another flying job. I am scared by the fact that I do not have enough money to contribute to my 5 year old son's college savings account, that my current job does not offer any 401K, or ANY benefits for that matter. I am concerned that I have had to burn so much of my savings. Furlough from Delta effects me and my family as soon as I wake up until I go to sleep at night. I ask that the most hardcore, mean hearted individuals from each side consider this before they write that next response or thread. As bad as my life has gotten over the last year plus, I refuse to feel sorry for myself! I know for a fact that there are tens of thousands of other people in this country that lost more than a job due to 9-11, and I can think of 4 Airline Crews that would love to be in my position today! GOD Bless Them, and GOD Bless You All! Merry Christmas.

AWC
Furloughed Delta Pilot
 
AWC...

First of all my thoughts go out to you and your family. Especially my furloughed bro's and sis's. These were good posts. I feel bad that your 'friend' considers you the enemy just because you grabbed the brass ring that you were working so hard for. Know that not all of us at the regional level hate the mainline pilot. I'm just trying to make a living flying airplanes. Due to the circumstances with the industry, it will be a while before We can get the chance to be part of a mainline seniority list. Some may think it's unfair that the regionals are growing at the expense of the major and then there is a minority of us(i'd like to count myself)that is saddened that there are so many of them out of work. We all have one thing in common and that is that we're all in love with flight. Those of us that are still employed should be Thankful that we are still earning a check to do something so wonderful. Remember, it could be any one of us out on the street. I've personally already been through one strike and two furloughs, but luckily enough through the contacts I made, I was able to find a job that I love.
Thoughts and prayers...

Rook
600' AGL Autopilot on.
'WHEW!'
 
AWC, I hope the DCI attitude you got was from a small minority. On the day I passed my Comair SIC checkride on the CRJ, this past Saturday, I jumpseated up to Montreal to celebrate with my girlfriend. On the employee bus that goes from the lot to the terminal, I related my experience to a DAL pilot. He welcomed me aboard this crazy ride and offered his J/S anytime. He also said he appreciated the CRJ J/S to get him home for the holidays. I'd welcome ANY qualified J/S'er if I had the authority.

I guess I'm too new to all this to get a feel for any animosity amongst the pilot groups. I know I don't feel any, and hope I never do. I had aspirations once of flying for DAL, but at 37 and with today's climate, I'm thinking Comair may be my home for the duration. It will be interesting to see what the 3 MECs do in the next few years as the industry reinvents itself. I hope somehow we can accomodate the furloughees, or get the company profitable again so you get your job back.

Best Wishes to you and the rest of the Furloughees from a humble Comair newly minted F/O
 
This war is not personal... but it is a necessary war as long as Bill Buergey continues to threaten to take the CRJ700's and CRJ200 deliveries away from Connection <reference Comair pref. hiring talks>.

Person to person, pilot to pilot, I do not believe any of us has animosity for another. But... Without any leadership from ALPA National, each MEC has degraded into a egocentric "what is best for me" group, instead of looking for what is best for our profession. The Delta MEC is not any worse than the others, it is simply more powerful and potentially more effective when it sets out to contain and destroy the alter ego operations that conflict with its goals. The predatory instincts of any collective bargaining group have to be tempered, limited, and moderated by a strong union leadership to avoid mob rule. Unfortunately, ALPA national lacks any leadership [and voted to relinquish national control over the tools at the 2002 BOD] to deal with the problem of Delta's "portfolio of carriers."

The Delta MEC's strategy to contain and destroy has failed. Continuing along this path of proven failure is only going to lead to further loss. And consider that your MEC does not mention the junior Delta pilots, amazingly, Bill Buergey's concern is for his military sqadron mates who did not vote him into office and who have not paid a penny of ALPA dues.

Ask yourself - if the Delta MEC had not undermined the 2000 BOD meeting and if we had applied ALPA's Merger and Fragmentation policy, where would you be today? Where would Delta be in the competitive picture and how would your future look? Instead of six Delta carriers performing domestic narrowbody flying, we would have one. We would have one, powerful, MEC and one list performing the flying. The furloughed Delta pilots would be transitioning to the left seat of a CRJ700 at $80 plus an hour and I would have a future without a bloody battle with my own union.

The only restraint on the unlimited power of the Delta MEC to destroy my job, your job [and possibly our employer] is the RJDC. The irony here is that the RJDC's insistance on following the ALPA Constitution and Bylaws, as well as our nation's laws to protect workers is exactly what would be in the best interests of the junior Delta pilots. This is not personal, your savior may just be the same pilots you consider the "enemy" today.

Regards,
~~~^~~~
 
Like I said, I refuse to continue this silly RJDC issue any further. I will also say that yes I do care about your airline and your career. The seniority integration and merger issues are pointless anyway. When RJDC gets in fromt of a judge and says "look, Delta purchased us, and we want to be merged into their senority list." Delta will say, "Delta Airlines is owned by Delta Airlines Inc. ASA and Comair were purchased by Delta Holdings Inc. These are two seperate Airlines, therefore we are not held accountable to the ALPA Merger Policies." It's A fact. When I worked at Express/Northwest Airlink we tried the exact same thing! Guess what, we continued to fly our Saabs down to Tupelo and Greenville. I expect you to try, and I admire your determination. Fact is you all have gained a lot over the years. I am proud of the Connection Carriers that serve Delta Airlines, but at some point, Force Magure will end, and we will make our way back towards the 2000 Contract. What hurts me, is the hardcore pilots such as your self are so centered around your objectives, and you fail to recognize, or fail to care that 1025 pilots and their families suffer ever day, I am close to loosing my home, the stress my end my marriage, I have no prospects for future airline emloyment with the exception of the Kind Hearted ASA PIlots opening their doors. I make less mony than I did in high school, and depression rules my life. Butt I have the most wonderful wife in the world, I Have the greatest 5 year old son ever, and I have my relationship with Jesus. That is what means the most to me! Delta Connection PIlots, You are the man, you are professiomals, I would fly with you any day! But I ask you to consider this! As you receive dozens of new planes, as you hire hudreds of new pilots, as you take our flying with pleasure is it really fair for you to take all this and my senority position? All I want is to save my home(doughtful) take care of my wife (She is a saint) and to contribute to the worlds best 5 year old's college savings plan. Its just not possible. Force Majure will be over soon, and I know we Delta Pilots will be getting down to business as per Contract 2000. I promise you, if this happens that I will fight to look out for your interest. For all The Delta Connection Pilots, you guys and gals are welcome in my house at any time! Please lets just end the fighting! I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAVE A Great New Year, and a Happy Holliday. Remember CHRIST the Christmas
 
AWC,

I would like to extend best wishes to you and your family in the coming year. I hope that you will find meaningful employment to tide you over, that it will be as a pilot so that you may remain current and most of all, that your return to the ranks of Delta pilots will be speedy and come before you suffer any greater loss than you already have.

I have read both your messages carefully and repeatedly, as well as the replies you received to date. Your appeal for peace and an end to the infighting is appreciated and I think laudable. Nevertheless, much of what you say is less than accurate and seems to miss the point. Within your messages there are ideas and allegations that make it clear to this reader that you have several misconceptions of the issues as well as the status quo. It appears that you have failed to grasp the reasons for the dispute between pilot groups as well as their impact on your present situation.

You said: "It is a sad state that we have gotten into, major airline pilot hating small jet pilot, small jet pilot hating major airline pilot." Obviously I can't and don't speak for everyone but this regional airline pilot doesn't hate major airline pilots and is not acquainted with any regional pilot that does. I don't hate any airline pilots and neither do I recognize any difference between them by virtue of their place of employment. Maybe if you and those major airline pilots that you say hate small jet pilots would give up your separate and unequal thought process we could all be just airline pilots, without the political handles created by your group and the international union. To my knowledge, the "major airline pilots only" signs were not erected by the "small jet pilots". Take down your signs and you might find the truth, i.e., we just see you as airline pilots; not major, not minor, but equal. Some of us object to what the International Union and some mainline MEC's are doing but we do not hate you as individuals or as a group.

While you don't come out and say it directly, your message implies that your furlough and that of other Delta pilots is somehow related to Delta Connection Pilots. While that may be what you have been lead to believe or have come to believe it is NOT true. The existence of "Delta Connection" is not the cause of your own furlough. Neither is it the cause of any of the other furloughs at Delta. "Delta Connection" did not cause you to lose your job and DCI cannot reinstate your job with Delta. Reality is that if all of DCI went away tomorrow, hundreds more of you would be furloughed, not fewer.

The "dispute" to which you refer is NOT a dispute with "DCI pilots". There are five (5) DCI companies: ASA, CMR, SKYW, ACA and Chautauqua (CHQ). Three (3) of them (ACA, SKYW and CHQ) are subcontractors that are not involved in any dispute and never have been. You allege that you "hear Delta Connection wishing death to the Delta Pilots". With all due respect, that is an allegation that appeals well to our emotions but has no basis in fact. I'm with Comair (allegedly the most "radical") and I've never heard this death wish of which you speak. I don't know where you get your information but I would suggest you expand the sources. Statements like that indicate a lack of accurate information on your part.

You tell us a heart-rending story about a former "friend" of yours. You tell us "I can tell he looks at me as the enemy. He talks to me and tells me I am trying to take his career away!" You go on to say that you think "It's unfortunate, it's sad! And it is out of control and very, very immature!" Yet, your own messages acknowledge that this "friend" (of yours) is not employed by any Delta Connection carrier. I get the idea that you are trying to convey but your method is a very broad brush that extends beyond DCI and really has nothing to do with your personal plight. Simply, it does not apply.

There is a dispute between Comair pilots and some ASA pilots and the Delta pilot group. This dispute is not personal, is not directed at individual Delta pilots, has not caused any furloughs and does not include any "death wish" towards Delta pilots. That idea is, bluntly, an absurdity.

When referencing the RJDC, which I acknowledge I support, you should note several things. 1) Those that support and participate in the RJDC have a dispute with the ALPA, not with individual Delta pilots; 2) That dispute stems from actions allegedly taken by the ALPA in support of the DMEC and, from actions that the ALPA has allegedly failed to take with respect to its legally mandated representation of the interests of Comair and ASA pilots; 3) This is a legal dispute being pursued in a court of law; 4) It's eventual outcome is yet to be determined; 5) It has not caused any Delta pilot to be furloughed and, 6) It has not prevented any Delta pilot from being employed anywhere. Additionally, the RJDC has not filed any lawsuits against anyone. Individual pilots seeking guarantees of their representational rights as union members filed the current litigation. In my opinion, which I am sure you do not share, they are more than justified. That however, is a separate issue.

It is indeed sad that such a dispute exists and, like you, I wish that it did not. However, it has nothing to do with what has happened to you personally or professionally. The fact that you don't like it is merely and indication that you disagree with those pilots that dislike the actions of ALPA and your MEC. That's fine but it has nothing to do with your furlough.

Whatever you think about the RJDC or its supporters is your opinion and your right to both think and express. However, in doing so you should attempt to stick to the facts. I agree that the "seniority and merger issues are pointless"; they are not the issue. The issue is the ALPA's duty of fair representation.

You accuse "us" of being insensitive to your plight and of failing to care that 1025 (your number) Delta pilots are furloughed. Speaking for myself, little could be further from the truth. I do regret the furlough of ANY pilot not just Delta pilots and I do hope you will be reinstated soon or, if that doesn't happen, that you will find suitable employment elsewhere. I don't want any of the unpleasant things you mention to happen to you or any other pilot and take no pleasure in them. I also don't know any pilots at my airline that do. However, once again, that has nothing to do with the dispute with the ALPA.

"We" (whomever you think that is) have not taken your jobs or your flying and do not want to take your seniority. We have made no effort to do either. I'm sorry for your situation but I can't accept the responsibility for causing it. Neither can any other "Delta Connection pilot" or any regional pilot.

Neither your job, nor the job of any other major airline pilot, or your seniority has been taken by any regional pilot. The cause of your job loss and that of thousands more like you is the severe economic downturn exacerbated by the tragedy of 9/11. It has not been caused by regional pilots, Delta Connection pilots, Comair pilots, ASA pilots, regional jets or, least of all, the RJDC. If you have that idea (it seems you do) you need to take a second look at reality. Sir, your views on the subject are jaundiced and that's "clear as a bell." I understand your frustrations with the furlough, but I disagree completely with your ideas of its cause.

In the case of Comair and ASA, yes we are receiving new airplanes and, yes we are hiring pilots. Nothing that any "Delta Connection pilot" has done prevents you from seeking or obtaining one of those jobs. If you want it, then go out and get it. There is nothing to stop you from doing that. All you have to do is meet the requirements of the Company where you would like to work. The Company sets those requirements, not the pilots.

Again with respect, it just isn't true that (you) "have no prospects for future airline employment with the exception of the Kind Hearted ASA Pilots opening their doors." First of all the ASA pilots (kind hearted or otherwise) haven't opened their doors, the management of ASA has decided to hire furloughed Delta pilots. Candidly, the pilots of ASA had little if anything to do with that. That was a management decision, not the decision of ASA pilots. There is nothing to indicate that Delta pilots are applying in droves and being rejected, even at ASA. In addition to ASA, many other regionals are hiring pilots. Have you applied to those? Have you been rejected? Did the pilots at any of the airlines where you have applied cause you to NOT get the job? I don't think so.

So what then is your point? What is it that you would like "Delta Connection pilots" to do for you? I'm sorry that you are furloughed but perhaps you should devote as much time to seeking employment as you do to crying Wolf.

Since you focus on the RJDC, what would you like the RJDC to do that would help you to find a job? What is the RJDC doing that prevents you from becoming re-employed?

As a fellow airline pilot, I wish you all the best and hope sincerely that you will find a new job very soon and before you lose any more than you already have. However, I will not accept being "blamed" by you or anyone else for your dilemma. If you are the "victim" of anything (and I don't think you are) it may well be the actions of your union and your own MEC.

If you would like the "dispute" between the ALPA and Comair and ASA pilots to end (as would I) then direct your complaints to the ALPA and to the Delta MEC. They are the cause of the dispute. Maybe that will help to end the dispute, but it won't get you another job and it will not cause your recall. The two are unrelated and have nothing to do with each other.

Here's hoping the New Year will be better for you and also for the rest of us.
 
SURPLUS1

I appreciate the fact that you responded, and I also appreciate your point of view. But if I may express my feelings about your response I would have to say that you seem trigger happy to point out where you think I am so anti DCI, and that I lay blame on you all for my furlough. That is so untrue. You claim that you read my posts many times and you respond with a very negative tone that makes me wonder just how well you read my posts. Points to consider,
You state, "I am trying to convey that all connection carriers are reponsible for my furlough." I don't find that anywhere in my posts but I do see that I said "I wanted to tell you this because even though I have lost my job, even though I hear Connection Pilots wishing death to the Delta Pilots, I DO NOT HOLD ANY ILL WILL TO ANYONE!!!"
My choice of words (Death To Delta) were just a poor choice of words, I know you would not wish death on us! But You must admitt that I posted that I did not have any ill will to anyone! If you want to be honest and express to other readers what my feelings are about the Delta Connection Pilots, then lets point out a few more things from my posts.

"I also want to say Thank You to all of the Delta Connection Pilots who are out their working the holidays, you are also in my prayers."

"I appreciate the Connection Pilots, I realize the professionals they are, I WANT THE WORLD FOR THEM."

"I admire your determination, you all have gained a lot over the years. I AM PROUD OF THE CONNECTION CARRIERS THAT SERVE DELTA AIRLINES."

"Delta Connection Pilots, You are the Man, you are pros and I'd fly with you anyday."

"I am shocked by our pilots not considering Connection Pilots' futures."

SURPLUS! in your post you say that my message implies that my furlough is related to Delta Connection Pilots. I just do not see that anywhere. I express my frustration at the never ending RJDC posts! But like you said, can't we each have an opinion?

Your response states without a doubt that I am laying blame on one group - The Connection Pilots. The fact is that I never lay any blame at all anywhere in any of my posts. Where as you do! You state, "...without the political handles created by your group and the international union." That to me sounds like you are laying blame, but I have no problem with you stating your opinion. Just please don't write that I am laying blame on your pilot group when I never stated that at all!

You state, "It appears that you have failed to grasp the reasons for the dispute between pilot groups as well as their impact on your present situation." Since the purpose of my original post was to say Thank You to the Delta PIlots for the Christmas Check from the Family Emergency Fund, and to express my thanks to the Delta Connection Pilots and offer some good will and good feelings between our two groups, it seemed inappropriate to list my understanding of the RJDC! Therefore SURPLUS1, when you say that I have failed to grasp the reasons for the dispute, you are just guessing, and you feel you are correct.

"I will not accept being blammed by you or anyone else for your delemma." Did not state that you were responsible, do not ask for you to take responsibility.

"Perhaps you should spend as much time seeking employment as you do to crying wolf." I find this offensive! At a time when I was posting and telling how much I appreciate your pilots, your airline, praying for each of you and wishing you all at DCI a Happy Holiday, you state my posts are a lie. And SURPLUS1, I would appreciate if you could imagine conducting a job search in today's environment. I have made it my number one priority. How is that you think I spend more time posting this information? If you look at my profile I have only posted 6 times ever! I think I see your name that much in a single day! Anyways, I will stand on my posts, I wish everyone a Happy Holidays. I want peace between us, and I have my hand out to anyone who cares to try to create peace with me.



AWC
Furloughed Delta PIlot
 
FAMILYMANOK said:
I have accepted the fact that there will never be peace between Delta Pilots and Delta Connection! It's unfortunate, it's sad! and it is out of control and very very inmature! I wanted to tell you all this because even though I have lost my Delta Pilot Job and do not know when I will ever get it back, even though I hear Delta Connection wishing death to the Delta Pilots...
In mid-1998, when I was but a newhire ASA first officer, I said 'hello' to a Delta MD-88 crew in terminal E at DFW. The first officer started to reply, but his captain cut him off, saying just barely loud enough for me to hear, "don't talk to them."

I was, and to some degree still am, a firm believer in brotherhood among pilots. But incidents like this one--and there have been many--have eroded that belief.

I'm disgusted by the Connection pilots whom I've heard gloat about Delta pilots being out of work. I want to remind them how easily it could happen to us.

But everyone needs to remember that this animosity didn't spring up out of nowhere. It has its roots in the ill will that was demonstrated to us by a very loud minority of mainline pilots, guys who told us to our faces that if they had their way, our jobs would cease to exist.

ASA and Comair pilots taking pleasure in Delta furloughs? I don't condone it or share in it...but I understand where it comes from.

My father was a full-term Eastern striker. I know very well what the families of furloughed pilots are going through...and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
 
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Is anyone else sick of the "cry me a river" ASA and comair pilots? I find your 'stories" to be far fetched. You are all hiring and we are furloughing. WE FURLOUGHED GUYS ARE NOT HURTING YOUR G_**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** CAREERS. At least not yet, I will work hard to make sure this bull shIIIIT attitude of so many of you are never forgotten at Delta and all the other airlines.

Look, Familymanok was trying to convey a peaceful message. A-holes like surplus attack even him. I am sure he doesn't agree with me, but you should try to come to agreements with nice guys like Familymanok, because there are alot more guys who will hold a petty grudge for the next 31 years.

Happy New Year Everyone.

PS.........Hope you RJDC guys don't forget your meeting tomorrow at Cinergy Field. Bright and early, don't be late.;)
 
Re: Re: Re: Thank You DAL Pilots, Merry XMAS

NYRANGERS said:
...I have allready seen your posts on the ALPA national forum.
You know, that's interesting, seeing as how I don't post on the ALPA national forum.

You guys are so full of [CENSORED] with your stories about..."I heard this Delta guys say to me..." Give me a break. Is your ego so big that you guys think the Delta pilots sit around and think about you guys all the time?
Well, first of all, if you're trying to tell me I'm lying or that I made this story up, you can go jump in a lake.

Second of all, the reason I brought this up is that I'm tired of hearing Delta guys whining "those Connection guys hate us!" "Hate" doesn't exist in a vacuum. It has to come from somewhere.

...it is us bottom of the seniority list guys who think of you. The guys who will be very acitve and vocal in our LEC and MEC activities when we get recalled. The guys who will not forget the bull-[CENSORED] stories and attitudes you guys have.
As I've already tried to explain, if anybody at ASA or Comair has a bad attitude about mainline pilots, it's a response to the attitudes of the mainline pilots they've encountered! You really think we sit around making up obnoxious stories about "Deltoids?" I'm sorry, sir, but you are absolutely full of hot gas. I have better things to do. I don't need to make up stories about Delta pilots treating me like a non-entity. It really happens...or should I say "happened."

Since the furloughs began, I have heard a lot fewer jabs and barbs directed at us Connection guys by Delta pilots. My suspicion that the "vocal minority" I was speaking of are the ones who got furloughed. These are exactly the guys who opposed any kind of seniority merger agreement between us...and would have benefitted from that agreement, I might add. If DALPA had worked with us three years ago, I'd be on furlough now and guys like FAMILYMANOK would still be flying.

Stop F'ing with us and then back pedal...this is now a separate thread on our DALPA board. It was started so we will never forget.
Since you mentioned egos, is your ego really so big that you think all we do all day is sit around dreaming of being [trumpet fanfare] Delta pilots like you? There are other career destinations besides Delta Air Lines, you know. We're not all RJDC members, believe it or not.

NYRANGERS, after you sober up, go back and re-read my original post. I think you'll find it's not nearly as hostile as you apparently thought.

One more thing, and this is important so read carefully: ASA and Comair pilots had no control over mainline Delta furloughs! That decision was made by management, not us! I know that seems hard to believe, but it's true.

And as I've said before, it could happen to us just as easily!
 
One more thought.

This "holy war" between mainline and Connection pilots is exactly what Delta management wanted. They did everything possible to set us at each others throats...and too many of us have gleefully obliged.

Yes, I've complained about the attitudes I've received from a small number of Delta pilots...and I've heard an awful lot of obnoxious comments about Delta pilots from my Connection brothers.

If we can all get over a few childish insults and work together, maybe we can fix this thing and get everybody off furlough even quicker.
 
NYRANGERS

I should ignore you until you have something to say that is worthy of comment, but I'm human and I won't. From one A-hole to another ....... shove it where the sun don't shine.

While you're on furlough I suggest you take a course in reading comprehension. Then maybe you'll understand what I sad to Familymanok. It was not an attack, it was a defense. Obviously that's over your head.

You're a shmuck and fortunately you and your kind do not constitute the majority of Delta pilots. I know you don't get it but the truth is that those of your ilk are a liability to the Delta pilot group, not an asset. You are less than a gentleman and you just don't fit in a group that is noted for it's decency. Someone in HR obviously erred when they decided to add your kind to the Delta group. One bad apple can spoil the lot and, you buddy, are one of many bad apples hired by Delta in recent times. They once had a standard that the likes of you clearly doesn't meet.

I don't expect you to understand that but real Delta pilots like FAMILYMANOK, will. His furlough is a loss to the Delta pilots. On the other hand you are a liability that they just might be better off without.

Too bad there is no pill that wipes out cancers. If there were, I'd send you a year's supply, gratis. That would be a gift to the Delta pilots that they all could celebrate.
 
FAMILYMANOK said:
"Perhaps you should spend as much time seeking employment as you do to crying wolf." I find this offensive!

I agree that the particular remark was uncalled for. It could be construed as "offensive" and that was NOT my intent. I apologize for offending you.

If you care to read my post again, I think you will see that while we may disagree as to the reasons for your furlough, I do appreciate your problems and sincerely wish that it had not happened to you. I also hope that you will find new employment or be quickly recalled. I think I said that repeatedly in many different ways.

Yes, I can appreciate the difficulty of conducting a job search in the current environment and wish that I had a way to help you, but that is not within my power. I can only wish you success and encourage you not to give up. There are jobs out there. Not many it is true, but some. I hope you'll get one and soon.

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I want peace between us, and I have my hand out to anyone who cares to try to create peace with me.
AWC
Furloughed Delta PIlot

I too want peace. However, peace at any price is not the answer. I'm willing to take your hand in friendship as a fellow airman and freely offer my own in return. If we all work together it is possible to achieve something better for all of us.

You are not the enemy Familymanok, but there are enemies within your ranks. Prudence indicates the need for caution. At the same time we must all accept a certain level of risk if we wish to return to a peaceful state. Surrender is not an option for either one of us. We must find common ground together. Peace cannot be achieved unilaterally. We must change the win/lose scenarios to win/win action. I'm more than willing to try.

I wish you the very best in the coming New Year. Things will get better.

Pax vobiscum,
Surplus1
 
Yea, you guys are right. Beer and this forum should not mix.

I read a story on this forum about a comair guy who said a Delta pilot shut his head in a door. Now I think we would have read about that in the paper, since that is assualt. I know there are stories on both sides. Many of them seem so far fetched.

I apologize(sp) for insinuating you we not truthful. I truly hope we can one day all work together towards the same goal.

You have to admit that after being furloughed for 14 months, with all the hiring going on at asa and comair. You might find it a little hard to be sympathetic for you guys as you upgrade and take delivery of new planes.

I know you guys have nothing to do with the furlough, hiring and getting new planes. But please stop alluding to the fact that your careers are being slowed by us.

Regards,

NYR


PS. I still think surplus is an A-hole. You sir are the cancer the ALPA founding fathers thought was cured. I am comforted by the thought you will never be a Delta pilot.
 
I have been treated fairly and professionally by every Delta pilot I have ever met. I do disagree with some of them, but they are not the problem. It's my union that needs to change it's tune. I wish you all good luck and happiness.
 

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