TCAS II and RVSM flying

[A330Driver]

Could anyone provide a reference regarding whether or not TCAS II is required for flights in RVSM airspace?

Thanks

 

[FlaZoomie]

Not reference, but can say TCAS not required. Don't have TCAS in a Lear I fly but do have RVSM.

 

[Lampshade]

a vague guess of not required.

 

[A330Driver]

TCAS II and RVSM

Gentlemen- Thanks for the responses. I am curious about this reg though:


121.356 Collision Avoidance System.
Effective January 1, 2005, any airplane you operate under this part must be equipped and operated according to the following table:

The table lays out the type and version for aircraft with a gross weight of 33,000 or greater and so on.

The word OPERATED in 121.356 leads me to believe that I cannot depart without an operational TCAS in any circumstance.

Please forgive me if this is an elementary question?

 

[Lampshade]

It can be on MEL i.e. not operating.

 

[paulsalem]

It can be on MEL i.e. not operating.

Yes, we had it MEL'ed last week and the only operating restriction was no ILS PRM.

 

[ultrarunner]

If TCAS is installed, and the aircraft is operated in rvsm airspace, the TCAS MUST be TCAS II Change 7.

 

[CAL to T-1A]

Ultra Runner is correct. You don't need TCAS. If you have TCAS you need Version 7 because it eliminates the "traffic,traffic" call from planes that are only 1,000 feet above/below you.

 

[heywatchthis]

I agree. I operate a Hawker 700 without TCAS. We fly in RVSM airspace. But I do think some ICAO countries require TCAS in RVSM (not sure), but the US does not.

But yes if you have TCAS, then you must have change 7, otherwise it would scream at you every time you crossed someone at 1000' separation.

Change 7 is just a software upgrade.

 

[Dilligaff]

We have TCAS I and are certified for RVSM.

 

[ultrarunner]

We have TCAS I and are certified for RVSM.

I can't comment on the ICAO rule, but as far as conus goes, the ONLY tcas rule requirment in rvsm airspace is change 7 to a tcas II install.

I can see how my first post may have been mis-understood.

The rule-books ONLY care about a TCAS II install. They don't care about other installs OR no install at all.

 

[Blackjet]

Right and wrong.
For DRVSM, TCAS and/or TCAS II is not required. In other parts of the world I believe it is. With that said:

No such thing as TCAS with Change 7. TCAS (or TCAS I) is signifigantly different from TCAS II, which does have a Change 7 software revision, required for RVSM if TCAS II is installed on said aircraft.

With a TCAS I setup (Note TCAS I, not TCAS II) it can only be used for TAs, due to design limitations. It will be more of an annoyance in RVSM, because it will point out traffic 1000Ft above/below you.

If you have a TCAS II setup, it MUST be configured with the Change 7 software. Software prior to the Change 7 update is set for interrogating XPNDRS at 1500 feet, not 1000 feet, so you would be getting TAs and getting as well as sending RAs all day long in RVSM airspace, and since you can deviate from an ATC clearance (Only TAWS has a higher priority) when following a RA, it would cause lots of trouble.

A little background:
With TCAS II, the RAs (Resolution Advisories) are cordinated between the 2 aircraft before order is given. For example, if aircraft A and aircraft B are about to collide, the TCAS II boxes talk to each other so the pilot of Aircraft A, for example, is told to Climb, while the pilot of Aircraft B is told to Descend. In the earlier copies of TCAS II, the boxes would not talk to each other; they would just tell the pilot to do what is prudent for the situation, possible climbing or descending the aircraft right into each other. Another key part of TCAS II is precautionary RAs such as "Do Not Descend" or "Monitor Vertical Speed".

If you get bored and have some free time:
http://www.arinc.com/downloads/tcas/tcas.pdf