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Interesting that these two carriers are sub contracting their heavy mx to El Savador company TACA. You think maybe IAM's future is in doubt? They have priced themselves right out of jobs.

Must be cheap. I hope they're good!:)

http://news.taca.com/eng01-db-00039.htm
 
This is nothing new or unusual. Most major airlines farm out heavy maintenance to overseas firms. Unfortunate but true.
 
lowecur said:
Interesting that these two carriers are sub contracting their heavy mx to El Savador company TACA. You think maybe IAM's future is in doubt? They have priced themselves right out of jobs.

Must be cheap. I hope they're good!:)

http://news.taca.com/eng01-db-00039.htm
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TACA

Take A Chance Airlines.

I think it was a TACA crew that dead sticked a 737 into an open field.
 
We heard this in training a few months back, the labor cost were very low down there and the place aparently is known for doing very good work. Along with that they told us the facility is so clean, you can eat off the floor. My only question is why don't we start flying revenue flights down there, it seems to me that it will cost plenty to fly empty planes back and forth.
 
lowecur said:
Interesting that these two carriers are sub contracting their heavy mx to El Savador company TACA. You think maybe IAM's future is in doubt? They have priced themselves right out of jobs.

Must be cheap. I hope they're good!:)

http://news.taca.com/eng01-db-00039.htm
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I don't know about the cheap part, but they are reputable. My former company had all their B757 heavy checks done there and I know that we were more than pleased with the service. And, as someone else pointed out, the facility is sparkly clean and well run. I for one was impressed.

Happy Holidays.
 
TACA is actually one of, if not, the, most well run and financially backed airlines in Central and South America

I would argue that of all the latin airlines, the following are the best run and in best financial health

TACA
Lan Chile
Copa (Panama)

Aeromexico and Mexicana seem to be well run but their financial state of affairs is not too good
 
NYRANGERS said:
TACA

Take A Chance Airlines.

I think it was a TACA crew that dead sticked a 737 into an open field.
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Whats even more impressive is after they fixed it on the levy.... They took off from it!
 
Lowecur,

IAM price themselves right out of a job? You have to be kidding me, right? Do you see what IAM payscales have come down to?

The unfortunate reality of the airline industry is to cut costs wherever they can so that they can sell tickets. I hardly believe a mechanics salary of 45,000-50,000 is not worth the technical experience that they encompass.

This is all about outsourcing jobs, period. Can't wait till they go to El Salvador to get some pilots too. I believe then that the warm feelings I see on this thread will not be........so warm.

This is not cool with me, I don't like the idea of taking our American airlines and oursourcing all heavy checks to foreign companies. No matter how good they are, this is just another example of transfering american jobs. Futhermore, how cheap must labor get to keep them around? This industry is years behind the rest of the world. Just another example.
 
luvthedc10 said:
Lowecur,

IAM price themselves right out of a job? You have to be kidding me, right? Do you see what IAM payscales have come down to?

The unfortunate reality of the airline industry is to cut costs wherever they can so that they can sell tickets. I hardly believe a mechanics salary of 45,000-50,000 is not worth the technical experience that they encompass.

This is all about outsourcing jobs, period. Can't wait till they go to El Salvador to get some pilots too. I believe then that the warm feelings I see on this thread will not be........so warm.

This is not cool with me, I don't like the idea of taking our American airlines and oursourcing all heavy checks to foreign companies. No matter how good they are, this is just another example of transfering american jobs. Futhermore, how cheap must labor get to keep them around? This industry is years behind the rest of the world. Just another example.
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I agree with you, and I voted accordingly as I hope you did too. Unfortunately 51% of the country voted the other way!
 
luvthedc10 said:
Lowecur,

IAM price themselves right out of a job? You have to be kidding me, right? Do you see what IAM payscales have come down to?

The unfortunate reality of the airline industry is to cut costs wherever they can so that they can sell tickets. I hardly believe a mechanics salary of 45,000-50,000 is not worth the technical experience that they encompass.

This is all about outsourcing jobs, period. Can't wait till they go to El Salvador to get some pilots too. I believe then that the warm feelings I see on this thread will not be........so warm.

This is not cool with me, I don't like the idea of taking our American airlines and oursourcing all heavy checks to foreign companies. No matter how good they are, this is just another example of transfering american jobs. Futhermore, how cheap must labor get to keep them around? This industry is years behind the rest of the world. Just another example.
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I'm sure there are a few 45-50 people around, but how many? I don't know for sure, but I've heard many of them make 75-80 per year if they work heavy mx.

Without outsourcing the inflation rate would be right through the ceiling in the US. Back when Ross Parrott predicted that it would lead to double digit unemployment, all we did was have a technology revolution and created more jobs than ever. The question is how much longer can the US continue to be so creative. It's like SWA, eventually the growth has to stabilize and the true cost of your expenses become more apparent.
 
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Up until now, JetBlue has used Air Canada in Winnipeg do do our C-checks. So, sending the planes to a non-U.S. company for heavy MX is not new for JetBlue.

I do not ever recall hearing any outcry of disapproval when my company was using a Canadian firm.

Hopefully, any indignation over this new MX contract has nothing to do with the fact that TACA is based south of our borders, as opposed to North (make your own inferences).
 
Some companies do everything they can to send as much money out of the country as possible. What's next? Buy American and support companies that buy American. The job you save may be your own.
 
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lowecur said:
Interesting that these two carriers are sub contracting their heavy mx to El Savador company TACA. You think maybe IAM's future is in doubt? They have priced themselves right out of jobs.

Must be cheap. I hope they're good!:)

http://news.taca.com/eng01-db-00039.htm
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Great article in Fortune magazine (Dec. issue I believe) about the wide span of professionals that may have themselves "priced out of the market" in the not so distant future. Before you point such a finger at another group, start considering that you may be next even if you think that you are not vulnerable now.
 
Mugsy said:
Great article in Fortune magazine (Dec. issue I believe) about the wide span of professionals that may have themselves "priced out of the market" in the not so distant future. Before you point such a finger at another group, start considering that you may be next even if you think that you are not vulnerable now.
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Who me? I've already priced myself out of the market into semi-retirement as an amateur analcyst. :)
 
lowecur said:
Who me? I've already priced myself out of the market into semi-retirement as an amateur analcyst. :)
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Amateur or otherwise, I would imagine those analcysts are painful.
 
Outsourced maintenance

Pilots typically state that "well that's the industry standard now", with regards to outsourced maintenance.

The next big accident causing a big push from the FAA and NTSB will involve outsourced, praticularly offshored maintenance. The FAA is sometimes not even allowed on site for inspections and they don't have the manpower to do an adequate inspection even if they wanted to.

Maintenace goes to the low bidder and that's it. Many of the people on the shop floor are illerate in two languages and the maintenance manuals are getting more and more complicated. The Airbus is a simple airplane to operate but extremely complex to maintain.

Sometime in the future the new push will be about "outsourced maintenance", it will be tragic and the sad part is that the maintenance / engingeering community knows its comming but can't stop it.
 
Let's look at this for just a second. The company buys aircraft made in another country. The company has those aircraft maintained by another country. The aircraft are good, the maintenance is good but both are on the cheap. Passengers can fly anywhere for peanuts, even lower than a greyhound bus, or driving yourself would cost. Why would that company want to hire pilots from the USA if they can get them on the cheap from another country. How long before this happens, who knows. Sometimes those bragging about how low their costs are may actually get what they wish for.
 
PastFastMover said:
Let's look at this for just a second. The company buys aircraft made in another country. The company has those aircraft maintained by another country. The aircraft are good, the maintenance is good but both are on the cheap. Passengers can fly anywhere for peanuts, even lower than a greyhound bus, or driving yourself would cost. Why would that company want to hire pilots from the USA if they can get them on the cheap from another country. How long before this happens, who knows. Sometimes those bragging about how low their costs are may actually get what they wish for.
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Right on track. Globalization is here. Pilots are blue collar hourly labor, just like hotel maids and factory workers. And corporate america views us like that. Only, we view ourselves as white collar professionals... (We THINK we are professionals, but we act and dress like factory workers :confused: )

This country has basically in effect, legalized the black market. Small Businesses are king. Welathy people don't earn W-2's. If you want to be a pilot in 20 years, move to Mexico or asia. That is where the pilot jobs are.... If you want to thrive and prosper start your own business...

The cat I am flying with this month has a theroy. A big major hub just over the Texas boarder. All flights in the USA go in and out of this major-mega mexican airport. No need for customs as a secure area keeps transfer passengers in a gorgeous shopping mall with food court. It will look like the mall of america, with all the american brands (made in China). You won't even realize you are in Mexico.

Cabaotge diverted. Not even an issue....

Mexicans pilots flying B7E7 for mexican airlines from NYC to LAX via Mexico. Labor so cheap down there it makes SWA nervous and tickets prices just where the traveling public wants them....

Juan and Pedro can do it just as safely as us..... and for pesos on the dollar!

Welcome to the 21st Century. We're only 5% done!





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Someone can do the research, but I believe Continental Airlines bought a major part of TACA. Welcome to the global market.
 
BLUE BAYOU said:
Someone can do the research, but I believe Continental Airlines bought a major part of TACA. Welcome to the global market.
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They own a huge stake in Copa (Panama) as well.
 
Someone can do the research, but I believe Continental Airlines bought a major part of TACA. Welcome to the global market
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CAL partially owns/invests in/etc COPA, down to the same paint scheme that the COPA 737's have.

I don't think they have anything in TACA, as TACA is a COPA competitor. Unknown if this matters, but I know for a fact you can earn AA points on TACA also.

later
 
hello

Does anyone have any information regarding TACA international hiring requirements and their future hiring plans?

Thanks
 
Mx

Shame on Lowecur! Usually he is right on top of things but unfortunately this is old news. We have been using TACA for over 3 years now.. I have been there numerous times and will add that the service I have received there is absolutely first class.. The plane literally comes out of the C check spotless..

While I would rather see a local facility in my hometown, I am happy to know that we are getting excellent MX for a good price.

Oh yeah and maybe i forgot to mention that when i landed there last week to take a plane in we had another 320 in the hangar right alongside a US AIRWAYS 320 and another US 320 operator but i will let you use your imagination to figure it out..
 
clickclickboom said:
Shame on Lowecur! Usually he is right on top of things but unfortunately this is old news.
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Hence why the thread was started in December 2004.
 
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