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Okay it's late and I'm bored so I'll toss out a radom question.

I've heard that Eagle never uses reverse thrust on the ERJ's. Any truth to this? Whenever I've flown on Eagle I've never heard any spool up on landing; but, just figured they were in idle reverse only.

So do you folks never touch the levers at all or just throw it into idle reverse?

I know this is a trivial question that would be better suited for airliners.net.....but like I said....I'm bored and curious.
 
I don't remember exactly, but I think if the runway is over 6000 feet, T/R is not used unless it's an emergency.
 
I heard at jet blue they dont use reverse thrust unless an emergency/ runway conditions are predicated. They have a contract for 'free' brake pads so it is economically better for them.
 
If the runway is 7000 ft long or less or if it's contaminated, use of THRUST REVERSERS (if I hear the media call these "reverse thrusters" one more time, I'll scream) in IDLE is approved.

Of course, in emergency situations (to prevent a runway excursion, etc.) FULL reverse thrust can be used. At no time can an intermediate setting of reverse thrust be used.

Something about excessive wear on the actuators has driven this policy (perhpas they're an economy version). In reality, the reverser funds that we were paying out has just been shifted to brake replacement.
 
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If the runway is 7000 ft long or less or if it's contaminated, use of THRUST REVERSERS (if I hear the media call these "reverse thrusters" one more time, I'll scream) in IDLE is approved.

Of course, in emergency situations (to prevent a runway excursion, etc.) FULL reverse thrust can be used. At no time can an intermediate setting of reverse thrust be used.

Something about excessive wear on the actuators has driven this policy (perhpas they're an economy version). In reality, the reverser funds that we were paying out has just been shifted to break replacement.

you're pontificating regarding reverse thrusters and yet you call brakes breaks.......
 
If the runway is 7000 ft long or less or if it's contaminated, use of THRUST REVERSERS (if I hear the media call these "reverse thrusters" one more time, I'll scream) in IDLE is approved.

Of course, in emergency situations (to prevent a runway excursion, etc.) FULL reverse thrust can be used. At no time can an intermediate setting of reverse thrust be used.

Something about excessive wear on the actuators has driven this policy (perhpas they're an economy version). In reality, the reverser funds that we were paying out has just been shifted to break replacement.
Ding, ding, ding.
 
I think the real reason you can't use reverse is because the EMB is such a piece of junk that it might break apart if you did use reverse. Recycled Brazilian beer cans held together with bamboo straps.
 
Eagle fly is dead on. Right out of the AOM 1. No need to use them when we don't need them. I also heard it is cheaper to replace the brakes then fixing the RV.
 
I heard at jet blue they dont use reverse thrust unless an emergency/ runway conditions are predicated. They have a contract for 'free' brake pads so it is economically better for them.

Its SOP to deploy them in idle reverse but not use them unless needed. The bus has great brakes with awesome brake fans that make reverse in almost every situation not needed. It saves fuel and noise and promotes customer comfort. The 190 doesn't have brake fans, so on a hot day you're more likely to need to use them, but again idle is SOP.

You can ALWAYS use them if needed, regardless of runway length. Brakes are almost always cheaper than a full power reverse cycle, and the way we lease/pay for brakes makes idle reverse the best choice for us.

In any case there is no stigma for using as much reverse as you want. 100% pilot's call, every time.
 
Now personally, I like flying with the 2000 hr FO who leaves them in idle when landing in Key West, and the 250 hr FO who uses full reverse to make the first high-speed turnoff in Atlanta.
 
Someday, if you eat your wheaties, you'll grow up and get to fly a mainline jet with usable thrust reversers. But for now stay at the little kids table.

Could you please tell your sister to file down her buck teeth.

It hurt when her head was going back and forth..........
 
Air Wisconsin has the same policy, to prevent reverse-induced FOD damage. Supposedly.

Our procedure is idle reverse only unless the runway is less than 6000', contaminated, there's an abnormal/emergency situation, or when the crew deems necessary to stop on the available runway.

Its a much different philosophy than in the corporate world where you taxi around with buckets open all the time and use reverse liberally to save the brakes...
 

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