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pilotpat said:
Big picture looked at. Okay.

Oh and one other thing...I don't fly into MTJ. So, don't try to make this personal by saying "we're very tied of holding and waiting for you". As far as any pilot calling for a clearance a half hour prior to departure from a non-radar uncontrolled field ~ who cares? I call when I'm taxiing out to the runway, but its the release that's important isn't it? Or didn't they teach you that in your big RJ school?
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The standard reply from DEN center is "please call us when you're 5 minutes from departure" so the guys that call early are wasting effort.

Unless you have some routing issues there is no need to bother ATC until you're close to being ready.

Glad to hear you're one of the guys who gets it and calls for your clearance and release during taxi. Keeps things running much smoother.

The problem is a lot of pilots don't seem to understand the difference between operations in a non radar non-towered environment and the one in the big city airport they came from. Only one aircraft at a time in or out. During ski season we get a lot of traffic. MTJ is a popular divert for the guys who can't get into the rich folk's airport to the east. So when there's a dozen planes waiting it's beneficial for everyone if people operate in an expeditious manner. I'm not suggesting any compromise of safety. But when there is a 6000 or 7000 foot ceiling there's no reason to use the ILS and waste the extra 10 minutes. If you can't fly to the VOR and bang out a simple PT you shouldn't be flying.
 
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I stopped having to fly ASE, EGE, RIL when I stopped flying on the BE400. Luckily, I'm on the East Coast, so I don't have to worry about the ski season any longer. BTW, there are still corp/private owner's who don't even realize there's a STMP in effect...makes you wonder about people doing their homework before launching.
 
pilotpat said:
Weather at KSYR last night when we landed was down to a mile with snow. Nice and easy approach and landing. Dumped our pax and get ready to dead-head home around 6:45pm. As we're taxiing up to the hold short line, we run our checklist and get ready to call for departure. Next thing I know, this CRJ Air Wisconsin says he's holding short ready to go. He's got like 500 yards before he even makes the turn to the runway. The crew heard us and knew that we were on the other side of the runway, as we were both on ground freq during taxi. Then the following:

Tower: Falcon __ are you at the hold line?
Us: Affirmative
Tower: Air Wisconsin __ are you at the hold line?
Air Wisc: Umm.....we're just about ready to make the turn to it.

Since he was cleared for take off way back, I'm sure the tower didn't want to cancel clearance and all that, however, that had to be one of the most unprofessional moves I've seen in a long time.

Sorry for bitc&ing on your forum, but what tools these guys were.
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I feel your pain brother as there has been numerous times while I am heading into an airport where I am slowed and turned so a slower Airline can pass me by to land first. Also have had numerous times where I am held just like you after calling ready so a RJ can take off first but then I run over him in the air so I have to be slowed, turned and held low so he can crawl up to his altitude.
So ATC mind set is that Airliners are more important then anyone else and always go first.
 
WHO CARES? I can't believe I even cared enough to post this.
 
TAWS said:
If you're going to be ready upon reaching the HS line, then simply call "ready", don't call "holding short".
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Uhh, why. Why not call "ready and holding short", thereby elminating one more radio call your gonna have to make.
 
Now, I could add in the Mesa Dash-8 crew that I was ready to beat to a pulp after they made a smart-@ss comment on the radio because we didn't cancel IFR going into Durango at night after having to start out on the ILS. I guess they didn't understand that even though its a 3 man cockpit...it still gets busy
 
pilotpat said:
I've seen guys land in IAD and roll out for a mile, while there's 3 on final. That's just stupid. Thrust reverse, brake, turn at the high speed.
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That's just the Mesa idiots. You know, the Mesa school grads. I also enjoy watching their B-777 style turns to get every last foot on a 10,000' runway.

Is the Mesa little-big guy still flying at IAD? That was an entertaining posting.
 
FlyBunny said:
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It's simply too bad that all the REGIONAL pilots think that they are God's Gift to Aviation. They forget that there are other forms of professional flying besides REGIONAL airline flying...and most of non-regional jet pilots I have come across to are way more professional than the REGIONAL pilots.

Bunny
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Do you come across these legions of pilots while in the PA-28, or the cherokee6? Go iron a shirt......
 
bailey3083 said:
Also have had numerous times where I am held just like you after calling ready so a RJ can take off first but then I run over him in the air so I have to be slowed, turned and held low so he can crawl up to his altitude.
So ATC mind set is that Airliners are more important then anyone else and always go first.
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Familiar with release times?
 
FlyBunny said:
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And you REGIONAL airline guys talk about 'professionalism. Huh! That Falcon F/O probably makes more than your captain. But, is that the point here...NO, it isn't.

I believe that the Falcon pilot has a valid point.

It's simply too bad that all the REGIONAL pilots think that they are God's Gift to Aviation. They forget that there are other forms of professional flying besides REGIONAL airline flying...and most of non-regional jet pilots I have come across to are way more professional than the REGIONAL pilots.

Bunny
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What ya mean by being non professional regional super pilot???
I am professional, take a long time in the morning to do my hair to look good...Come on my jump seat, you'll see that I even have my company sticker on my Ipod!
 
ONE plane got ahead of you at an airport and the controller didn't correct it so you run to your computer and slam Air Wisconsin pilots? They did nothing wrong. If you want to get out sooner next time call sooner or something. I dunno. Stuff happens and it gets sorted out in the end. I'm sure you've swooped someone else before.

Did anyone bend metal? No? Then lets all have a beer together after hours.
 
CrownandCoke said:
Tell that to White Plains tower and approach...
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come on now....its Westchester Tower, although it should be white stains tower, those idiots think that us "airline" folk are invading their homeland, "AHH Wisconsin XXX, hold your position, you will be following a flock of 7 GV's, after the last one passes, taxi to runway XX"
 
PilotPat: You unfortunately came to the wrong forum to vent. The guys here have serious cases of sjs. Going to the same crap places each month does wonders for their personality.
 
Wow, holy crap. What a bunch of touchy little children. I am an FO at a regional so that I can go and get a job in a year or two flying a Falcon.
 
John Pennekamp said:
I make $87,000 a year on a 75 hour guarantee and gross about $92,000 as a CRJ-700 captain. And that's on a 8 year old contract. Not bad for a "lowly regional pilot".

And how is that instructing going for you? Jealous you can't get hired by a regional?

You aren't even good at flamebaiting. Try again.
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Nice one there Peni$kramp, thanks for taking it out and measuring it for all of us.
 
I cant believe I wasted my time reading this idiotic post. Remind me to cry like a 1 year old over the radio next time something like this happens.
 
When I fly 16 legs in three days, in an overworked business jet, made in Canada, with stupid people running the operation, I personally don't have time to attend to the potential inconveniences of some other jet who called first, yada, yada...
 
pilotpat,
sorry i wasn't paying you any attention while i was running the before takeoff check, reporting our position on the field and getting set up for the departure. i actually didn't notice you until you chimed in after i said "ready for departure."
nice landing light though. whining on the radio and trying to blind us when taking off from a contaminated runway at night, smooth.
 

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