SWAPA spending a million dollars to fight seniority integration?

[shagadelic]

Instructordude,

It says "fair and equitable". In this case, a pay protected staple is more than fair and equitable. So is your 50 percent pay increase. If our unions can't come to an agreement, we walk. DOH or relative seniority is a non-starter. If that is not "fair and equitable" to you, then fine, go work for Republic. It may not turn out to be a staple per se, but it won't be anywhere close to DOH or relative seniority. We won't vote for that. I know all the Frontier guys I've flown with who left to come to SWA certainly won't go for that.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Pretty sure.....

Instructor dude is NOT an Frontier guy......

 

[shagadelic]

My bad. I'll just ignore him then. disregard previous.

 

[fngswa]

hiring mins

Anyone know what the hiring mins are at frontier? I'm assuming most pilots that have been hired post 9/11 are well qualified but a few may be less than 1000 PIC. Something to think about.

 

[NuGuy]

SWA has said that if seniority integration is not agreed upon they will not proceed with the bid.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh, oh, AHAHAHAHAHA..... oh, man, where have I heard that before?

1) Say it's a prerequisite
2) Pull out when pilots don't come to an agreement. "Gorillia" pilot group says it can "stop any merger"
3) Oooops. Deal is back on...too good to pass up. Pilots will have to deal with it.
4) Tenacity of the smaller group is unexpected....and they didn't get totally ROTFLStomped by digging their heels in.

Yes...yes, I'm sure I've seen that play out somewhere before.

Moral of the story: If the management wants the deal, it will get done, despite any of the employee groups objections. The pilot's opinions are worth less than zero to management.

Nu

 

[shagadelic]

Perhaps at your airline. I really don't think you have a clue about SWA management.

 

[DH2WN]

I am curious, why does everyone automatically assume that there will be some sort of integration?



SLC

Bingo....There are some specific things Ron Hicks stated in his press release. None of them included integration but "hired as necessary".

I'm sure the F9 guys are great but not a single one will be put senior to a SWA pilot. The Morris buyout is precedence. This isn't a merger it's a picking up the scraps off the Ch11 table.

We've got 3 FOs on the Merger and Acquisitions committee and you can bet if there is a knife fight with F9 they will bring a gun.

 

[SWA/FO]

PS: Get use to fair and equitable based on seat position. Its Federal Law....Get use to it tough guy.

Exactly, a 3 year FO makes the same as a senior Capt at F9.

 

[DH2WN]

PS: Get use to fair and equitable based on seat position. Its Federal Law....Get use to it tough guy.

Well, we can just vote the thing down and you can work for republic or you can have SWA FO wages. Your choice.

 

[AlbieF15]

If they buy the assets and then hire who they want then some of us could be in a great position. Since they are flushing the pool, then some of us with connections could get in before they start to hire back the Frontier guys. Then you'd have a quick 400-500 pilots junior to you.

I know TC pisses a lot of you off, but in fact this is exactly what happened to a buddy hired at AAL back around 2000 (or was it 2001). His DOH was March, and then they stapled something like 2000 ex -TWA guys below him.

It can be a dirty business....

 

[727C47]

brother, instructordude does not work for f9,he is a notorious flame baiter /troll, dont feed him. 90% of the people posting hardline stuff are not frontier pilots,especially I-dude,who knows how to rile em up,do a thread search on him,he hit a peak with the ups mess.

 

[texman]

Ha, you don't want me there. Thanks for the insults. The holier than thou attitude comes through loud and clear. I don't work for either and I'm very happy where I am but have plenty of friends at SWA. Great company yes, but pissed off people just like everywhere else. You grow past a certain size and it's inevitable that you lose what you had as a small company. Just like to see pilots in this industry treating others with more respect instead of as the adversary. I'm saying it could work out nicely for both groups or it could be ugly depending on how it's handled. Preferencial hiring...sounds like a crock to me. After all, you would be inheriting a customer base they've worked hard to gain. From what I've seen you would be lucky to have the F9 guys and girls on board.

Ok good. I started to get nervous that you did work at SWA or F9. I will agree
F9 people are great. Traveling on them as a paid passenger about 30 times or so, Their people provided outstanding customer service and had great attitudes. It's all about attitude at SWA. I would think it would be a great fit. Plus only humble attitude my friend not holy.

 

[gobyebye]

PS: Get use to fair and equitable based on seat position. Its Federal Law....Get use to it tough guy.

I don't see anything fair and equitable about an F9 FO sliding in above me who went straight from the right seat at my previous airline with no PIC to the right seat at F9 considering the hiring requirements at SWA. I think there is something in that law about career expectations and that should apply to people like the pilots I mentioned above.

 

[mt2]

Mohawk Allegeny will have Frontier pilots integrated into Swa in a fair manner regarding their current seat position. There will be no staples or hiring. Relative seniority. Mohawk Allegeny is Federal Law get use to it.

Pretty sure most are used to it by now, Allegheny-Mohawk has been around since 1972...

 

[Wingsweep]

Hey G Lee

Hey General,
You got skrued on the total number of posts you've made--should be 12,852. WS