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canyonblue

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*Can we maybe keep this to under 40 pages? Maybe stick with just the questions: Should SWA be treated special? Did something change when we chose to put aviation interests up for sale?


Should SWA be treated special?

Yes, dumb question.

Did something change when we chose to put aviation interests up for sale?

Yes. If airlines were your relatives, Southwest is the only family member you would actually trust loaning money to.
 

LiveFreeorDie

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Nice thread hijack... What is a bigger threat SWA with unionized American pilots or a foreign, state owned, non union airline?

So here I am looking for good info and instead I get the expected, useless, my airline is better than yours, school yard, bull sh!t.

Well done,

LFoD
 

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I thought you left Red?

I've evaded nothing. It's fundamentally wrong to build a second FIS in a city that does not need another. It is especially wrong to build/approve something like this because one operator is paying for (part of) it. It's bad business. It creates problems. Do you not see that?


And this Flops main argument, which is ridiculous.

Bad for business? Yea, if your United I guess.

Creates problems? Yea, if your United I guess.


See a pattern?
 

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Red: I've thought about this a long time, and I really doubt you're that bad for UAL. And I've kinda had to stop caring about where I work so much (UAL is a different animal). You've been around Houston since day 1 and haven't amounted to much locally. You didn't end up doing much to DAL in ATL (to say the least). I do think you're bad for the City of Houston, and bad for the profession. I think there is a connection between the Hobby terminal and how the Abu Dhabi facility got passed.

Trade between multiple countries is a delicate balance.
 
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Nice thread hijack... What is a bigger threat SWA with unionized American pilots or a foreign, state owned, non union airline?



So here I am looking for good info and instead I get the expected, useless, my airline is better than yours, school yard, bull sh!t.



Well done,



LFoD


I don't have the least bit of a fraternal feeling toward SWA. Zip, zilch, nada. Person to person? Yeah absolutely, we are countrymen. But the corporation SWA? I have no doubt a foreign airline could be relied upon to compete more responsibly than SWA.

Let's just say this: I don't go anywhere in the world where one airline builds a terminal with only one gate for ALL other airlines to use?! Where almost every radio transmission is an attempt to game the system by the local airline. Where it's a redneck race to the active runway or gate. That's the nicest part of flying outside the US. NO SWA. I doubt the rest of the world is going to tolerate the BS.
 

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Red: I've thought about this a long time, and I really doubt you're that bad for UAL. And I've kinda had to stop caring about where I work so much (UAL is a different animal). You've been around Houston since day 1 and haven't amounted to much locally. You didn't end up doing much to DAL in ATL (to say the least). I do think you're bad for the City of Houston, and bad for the profession. I think there is a connection between the Hobby terminal and how the Abu Dhabi facility got passed.

Trade between multiple countries is a delicate balance.


Oh Good Lord Flop.

Need me to get the Houston O&D traffic for you? One thing I know about the Southwest operation is this.....

It wouldn't be a hub/base if it wasn't a big money maker. If you think otherwise your delusional...oh wait maybe that's true.

Some connection between SW terminal in Hobby and one in the Middle East is in your head. These things aren't even close to the same. I'm sorry your hatred for everything Southwest has completely clouded your judgment, but it clearly has.
 

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Flop,

I'm starting the see the problem here. YOUR the one that's either uninformed or just chose to be.

The article is flawed from the beginning, with a headline that says 'Hobby Expansion adds 10,000 jobs, Southwest says'. Followed by the first line...

Opening Hobby Airport to commercial international flights will create 10,000 jobs, bring 1.6 million more air travelers through Houston annually and inject an additional $1.6 billion a year into the local economy, according to a Southwest Airlines executive who has seen city-commissioned studies on the matter.

So the reporter decides to quote a Southwest official that's seen a report that he had nothing to do with? That's reporting? Please.

That's like a reporter saying 'Flop has seen a report that IAH could bring in 5 billion in extra revenue'. Should we focus on you looking at a report......or focus on the report itself? Jeez.

If you had even bothered to watch the city council meeting (which I did), you would have seen Gary Kelly tell them time and time again, what he (Southwest Airlines) is bringing to the table. He was honest and factual. He REFUSED to list any other numbers because (wait for it)....he's not in control of any of company or vendor.

Would he like there to be 10,000 added jobs like the CITY REPORT (the one the city paid for) states? Sure. Can he guarantee it? Hell no. The only company he controls is SW. You understand that right?

Your supposed article to hold SW feet to the fire is complete BS....and you don't even see it. See how partisan you are in this ridiculous argument?
 

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Houston considers him a top notch reporter who calls balls and strikes. No slant. He has accurately recorded what GK and Ron Ricks (2 SWA execs) thoroughly attached their claims to in order to get the ball across the goal line. As you correctly point out, GK is/has backed away from the data since then. (Hmmmm)

In addition the article shows it's funded by debt backed by SWA, but will be paid for thru use fees. So it's really not funded much different than any other airport deal.
 

dicko

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With Flop and the general on ignore these threads get a lot shorter and far less irritating.

There is one number I'm curious about - Etihad has 3 flights a day to the U.S. They're all 777s carrying around 300 passengers. That's approximately 900 pax per day. Why does the article say that only 200 passengers per day will use the facility ?
 

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Oh Good Lord Flop.

Need me to get the Houston O&D traffic for you? One thing I know about the Southwest operation is this.....

It wouldn't be a hub/base if it wasn't a big money maker. If you think otherwise your delusional...oh wait maybe that's true.

Some connection between SW terminal in Hobby and one in the Middle East is in your head. These things aren't even close to the same. I'm sorry your hatred for everything Southwest has completely clouded your judgment, but it clearly has.

And yet on another thread we got a bunch of Herb Turds saying SWA isn't a hub and spoke operation......which is it Spirit Warriors??
 

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Never have been and still aren't pure hub and spoke Bill.

Have we moved more toward that? I think so honestly. Still do a ton of point to point (probably the majority) but I don't have actual numbers to back up anything. And it changes monthly so it's hard to keep up.
 

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I don't have the least bit of a fraternal feeling toward SWA. Zip, zilch, nada. Person to person? Yeah absolutely, we are countrymen. But the corporation SWA? I have no doubt a foreign airline could be relied upon to compete more responsibly than SWA.

Let's just say this: I don't go anywhere in the world where one airline builds a terminal with only one gate for ALL other airlines to use?! Where almost every radio transmission is an attempt to game the system by the local airline. Where it's a redneck race to the active runway or gate. That's the nicest part of flying outside the US. NO SWA. I doubt the rest of the world is going to tolerate the BS.

So glad to see you are a self appointed expert on everything Southwest. Way to paint with a wide brush, every pilot at Southwest is exactly as you've described, no doubt there. We are all out to ruin you personally with our aggressive radio use. Gmafb
 

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With Flop and the general on ignore these threads get a lot shorter and far less irritating.

There is one number I'm curious about - Etihad has 3 flights a day to the U.S. They're all 777s carrying around 300 passengers. That's approximately 900 pax per day. Why does the article say that only 200 passengers per day will use the facility ?

You are right Dicko, just added Flop, General has been there for a decade now
 

dicko

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Anybody know how nearly 1000 passengers a day turned into 200 ? Three 777W a day to the U.S. Or am I missing something ........ Again.
 

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Aent those planes stopping in Europe first? Maybe only 200 through to USA? Maybe only 200 US citizens a day?
 

dicko

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Aent those planes stopping in Europe first? Maybe only 200 through to USA? Maybe only 200 US citizens a day?

Two daily direct flights Abu Dhabi to JFK. One daily to Chicago and one daily flight to Washington. Los Angeles starts in Dec 2014.

That's four 777W direct flights per day. All from Abu Dhabi. Average passenger load between the two 777 versions is 350.

That's 1400 passengers per day. All passengers, regardless of nationality have to clear Customs.
 
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