SWAPA Comments about 717

[Lear70]

I love it how the thread has turned from some what a heated debate, to AM's vs PM's.Lol!

Don't jinx it, it's finally calming down...

I love PM's but I commute, plus I have a weird AM body clock. The pm people are more chill. I have flown with some high strung peeps on AM's. I'm like dude go take a hit of the bong and quit trying to micro manage the whole airline. I just like getting my day done and having time to do some R and R

Same way, my body wakes me up at 7 a.m. Central Time no matter how early or late I hit the rack, and I like to be home at the end of my trip, not stuck in base trying to figure out which hotel isn't full...

Otherwise, I'd rather fly evenings where you can stay up late and have a good time, get up at a decent hour, work out, get a good meal, and start my day around noon or so, just like home. Unfortunately, our trips start early and end late with those long layovers somewhere. Definitely looking forward to more AM/PM oriented trips where it's at least commutable on one side.

Also looking forward to not having a 3 day backed up to a day trip. The MCO bid packet SUCKS next month. Flying 4 days and forced to get a hotel in the middle in base... why not just make it a 4-day trip? (I know the answer, 80% of the MCO base lives in base and they can go home in between trips). Oh well... what can ya do? Hopefully there will be something in SAP to trade into, 'cause God knows you can't do it with Daily open time. At least I got the 4th off.

 

[scoreboardII]

Flying 4 days and forced to get a hotel in the middle in base... why not just make it a 4-day trip?

Because your scheduling guys are now our guys and they figured how to turn two perfectly good two days into one suck ass four day with either 12 hours at home or the need for a hotel. Better yet, a turn after a three day, same deal=4 day in anyones book.

 

[fletch717]

Because your scheduling guys are now our guys and they figured how to turn two perfectly good two days into one suck ass four day with either 12 hours at home or the need for a hotel. Better yet, a turn after a three day, same deal=4 day in anyones book.

Unfortunately there will be a lot more pain to come. Save this post because I promise when Herb is completely gone things are going to change. I don't want it to happen but judging from recent events SWA is going to have to make some tough decisions and we all are going to suffer.

 

[scoreboardII]

Dude, Herb is completely gone.

 

[fletch717]

As long as herb lives, nothing will change. After....... I promise you, things are going to change and WE will not be happy. Fortunately for me I am used to it (airline number 4), for the military to SWA it will be tough. SWA has a big cost problem and the most efficient way to get to 15%roic goes against everything herd stands for, but not GK.

 

[K-Mart]

Not really. Herb would have furloughed and cut pay if he had too. How far the pilot group would bend on a paycut is the undecided factor.

 

[scoreboardII]

Not going to need a paycut when Delta gets their SWA plus contract, when dispatchers just received a 38% pay increase, when FA's get more money for less work ala the 800, when the CEO takes home a pay increase of 30-50%. Pilots pay is pretty safe for the time being. Nuke Iran, and all bets are off.

 

[fletch717]

Not going to need a paycut when Delta gets their SWA plus contract, when dispatchers just received a 38% pay increase, when FA's get more money for less work ala the 800, when the CEO takes home a pay increase of 30-50%. Pilots pay is pretty safe for the time being. Nuke Iran, and all bets are off.

Hmmm where and when has that been said before? United in 2000 comes to mind, delta in 01. Pain is comming, top in pay for ramp, F/A's, the best sick policy in the industry that is being abused To the point it is the number one priority for the company. If you can't see that the gravey train is pulling in the station then the cool aid is thicker than I thought.

 

[K-Mart]

I agree with fletch. Storm on the horizon.

 

[fletch717]

I agree with fletch. Storm on the horizon.

Yes, I guess that's the tax on my "lottery ticket"

 

[PCL_128]

Pilots pay is pretty safe for the time being.

It depends on whether the next big economic event happens before or after UAL/CAL, AMR, and USAirways finish their next CBAs. If they finish their deals first, then our pay will be pretty safe. If they don't, then we're in a bad position, along with Delta, Alaska, and Hawaiian. You don't want to be 20-50% above everyone else when the bad economic conditions hit the next time. That's a recipe for massive concessions, forced through bankruptcy if necessary. We need to get everyone up to a level playing field before the next economic bomb hits. The wide disparity in pay from one carrier to the next is what screwed everyone over in bankruptcy on the last go around.

 

[texman]

Not going to need a paycut when Delta gets their SWA plus contract, when dispatchers just received a 38% pay increase, when FA's get more money for less work ala the 800, when the CEO takes home a pay increase of 30-50%. Pilots pay is pretty safe for the time being. Nuke Iran, and all bets are off.

Did the dispatchers get capt pay?

 

[vixin]

No, they top out at $138,000 after 17 years I believe.

 

[scoreboardII]

They got FO pay, get to sit in a chair, 1G, zero knots, go home no matter what every night and they get F***ing FO pay.

 

[scoreboardII]

Hmmm where and when has that been said before? United in 2000 comes to mind, delta in 01. Pain is comming, top in pay for ramp, F/A's, the best sick policy in the industry that is being abused To the point it is the number one priority for the company. If you can't see that the gravey train is pulling in the station then the cool aid is thicker than I thought.

Different scenario, I think UAL pilots talked about "someone else plus some %" or something like that. We just need to stay put and let the others rise to our position. Even with that, the only two airlines to beat our costs are AK and JB.

 

[madjack]

Just a perspective...the Flying public are pretty well trained for fees and the cattle call... Plus so many people consider air travel essential...the challenge for SWA is increasing our fees (read bags)...