SWAPA/ATN Confidentiality

[redflyer65]

No, I'm not kidding you. My information is obtained from talking to our MEC members and getting their opinions. Yours is from FI. Which, in all likelihood is more accurate?

DC10,

I'm not trying to be disrespectful. Do you think that the MEC is NOW ready to send this out to the pilots for a vote....after they voted 7-1 against it?

I'm confused. Gary says that offer is off the table. Gone.

Please tell me you have different info.

RF

 

[canyonblue]

If you have to ask, then you probably shouldn't know.

Try telling that to the members of the Other Airline Dorks Club that will soon be spouting off on yet another AAI-SWA thread.

 

[Kharma Police]

Try telling that to the members of the Other Airline Dorks Club that will soon be spouting off on yet another AAI-SWA thread.

"Other Airline Dorks Club", are they ALPA too?

 

[slaquer5]

Even though your Mom tried with you, you just can't polish a turd, and it seems the SWAPA propsal was just that according to the overwhelming MEC vote. The bottom 60% at Airtran going to the BOTTOM 20% at SWA? No F'n way!


OYS

I bet even at a bar that closes at 4 am your still to ugly of a chick to ever get picked up. I am guessing BOB is your best friend and lover when your not on FI

 

[Roomwithaview]

Well DC10

For good bad or indifferent reasons our guys are leaders. They wouldn't let a bunch of pi$$ed off pilots on a forum sway their decision. Hence the vote in favor of SL9.

If the Airtran MEC is that easily swayed then you all elected the wrong group. Sorry.

 

[maxthrottle]

If the MEC voted yes then there would be no time left to negotiate before arbitration

Umm. OK. If you vote yes, what's left to negotiate and why would it go to arbitration... That's probably the dumbest quote I've read in weeks.

 

[Kharma Police]

Umm. OK. If you vote yes, what's left to negotiate and why would it go to arbitration... That's probably the dumbest quote I've read in weeks.

The vote was only within the AirTran ALPA leadership and it was whether to allow the AirTran pilots the opportunity to vote or not. Unfortunately (in my opinion), it was voted down 7-1.

 

[canyonblue]

"Other Airline Dorks Club", are they ALPA too?

Let's see...Delto and Alasko...both Alpo.

Truthfully, I never put it together before you mentioned it. Kind of ironic.

 

[wood pecker]

Max the Mec yes vote would start the roadshows to inform the pilot group about the SL.
That would take up the month that could instead be used to further negotiate and close loop holes.

My guess is you were never told this by a rep which I and many others were which triggered our no vote emails.

What did the reps tell you when you asked questions?

 

[The Victors]

Even though your Mom tried with you, you just can't polish a turd, and it seems the SWAPA propsal was just that according to the overwhelming MEC vote. The bottom 60% at Airtran going to the BOTTOM 20% at SWA? No F'n way!


OYS

Still amazes me. SWA brings $billions to AirTran pilots and all they give back is greed and entitlement. You guys are willing to sacrifice nothing. Sure, you're happy to double your pay, but unwilling to give up anything in return. How exactly is that fair aand equitable? What exactly do you bring to the table besides seniority?

 

[slaquer5]

It's presumptive, badly spun information like this that incorrectly makes the AT pilots look bad. ALPA took 2 weeks to try to close some of the holes in SL9, most of which were big enough to drive a truck through.



Nobody's screwing GK around. Really.... do you honestly believe they would even attempt that?

Yes..... I and most know that is what AT/alpa did. It is the way ALPA operates. AT wanted to see how much they could get out of GK. That is the only reason they jerked him along for 2 weeks.

Kind of like going and bargaining on a car/boat,trying to get the price down, when all along you have NO intentions of buying it.



I will ask you, ( if you where GK what would you do if someone did this to you? )

 

[Kharma Police]

Yes..... I and most know that is what AT/alpa did. It is the way ALPA operates. AT wanted to see how much they could get out of GK. That is the only reason they jerked him along for 2 weeks.

Kind of like going and bargaining on a car/boat,trying to get the price down, when all along you have NO intentions of buying it.



I will ask you, ( if you where GK what would you do if someone did this to you? )

Excellent question!

First, I would ask myself why did I let myself get involved in this process.

Second, I miss-judged ALPA, they aren't "yes" men like SWAPA, they obviously aren't swayed by my presence or gravitas. This was a surprise but should not have been unexpected.

Third, I signed an agreement that has basically painted me in a corner with SWAPA, I'm going to have to start preparing Steve Chase for the inevitable backlash.

Fourth, use the fear environment in an attempt to have the AirTran pilots sign an agreement in mediation to avoid arbitration.

Fifth, our companies stock is at an all time low, cost are rising, we need the AirTran syergies yesterday, we can't be bogged down with the integration.

 

[scoreboardII]

Excellent question!

First, I would ask myself why did I let myself get involved in this process.

Second, I miss-judged ALPA, they aren't "yes" men like SWAPA, they obviously aren't swayed by my presence or gravitas. This was a surprise but should not have been unexpected.

Third, I signed an agreement that has basically painted me in a corner with SWAPA, I'm going to have to start preparing Steve Chase for the inevitable backlash.

Fourth, use the fear environment in an attempt to have the AirTran pilots sign an agreement in mediation to avoid arbitration.

Fifth, our companies stock is at an all time low, cost are rising, we need the AirTran syergies yesterday, we can't be bogged down with the integration.

And yet you fail to see your own point Five governs the others: point five is true, making point four a result, not a cause. Point three is irrelevant, point two is a result of your side and point one is because you care now that point five is true.