SWAPA and age 60

[Jim Smyth]

Just got this email. Looks like we will be able to put the age 60 funding issue at SWAPA to rest pretty soon. Any one want to take a pre guess to how the vote turns out? I am guessing 60% to keep funding a change to AGE 65 and 40% to stop funding. YMMV

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December 13, 2006

Attention all pilots:

The BOD voted today to send the Age 60 issue to the membership for a
vote on January 16, 2007. Per the constitution, voting will be open for
14 days.

"Letters to the Membership" for the Jan. 15 issue of the RP will be
accepted until noon CT on December 30. Letters should be sent to
(deleted on purpose). Internal guys know where to go........

Please see the following link on the SWAPA website for more information
on the resolution and the schedule for the referendum.

 

[Slug]

how much funding

The thing that I've been PO'd about with SWAPA has not been that we've been spending money on the pro-65 legislation....(I was here when we voted for it).......it is the unaudited, unaccounted for amounts that have been spent. I would venture that 99% of the legislative budget has been spent on pro change. As an F/O that would upgrade in about 2 years without the change, I feel my dues are being used to screw myself and my family.

 

[FNG_that's me]

Please encourage all your comrads to vote!!! Spread the word!!

 

[GuppyWN]

I feel my dues are being used to screw myself and my family.

Yep.

Gup

 

[Jim Smyth]

Probably wont matter but this was just released at noon on the SWAPA web site.
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AGE 60: On the question regarding support for SWAPA efforts to
repeal the Age 60 Rule during the 110th Congress in 2007-2008, 59.51
percent of the membership voted "yes;" 40.49 percent voted "no."

*** Voter Turnout: Of 5, 286 eligible voters, 68.8 percent (3,638
members) voted.

 

[canyonblue]

Captains voting YES: 74.79%
F/O's voting NO: 58.01%

That will make for an interesting cockpit. Surprised by the number though, most Captains must be lying to me. And over 1000 F/O's did not vote! Pathetic apathy once again.

 

[CF34-3B1]

Captains voting YES: 74.79%
F/O's voting NO: 58.01%

That will make for an interesting cockpit. Surprised by the number though, most Captains must be lying to me. And over 1000 F/O's did not vote! Pathetic apathy once again.

I've talked to several probationary FOs who were under the impression they weren't allowed to vote.

I wonder how many of the 1000+ non voting FOs were in that catagory.

 

[Jim Smyth]

I wouldn't lie to you Kev! I don't want to fly to 65 either, just nice to have an option if life deals you some lemonade in the 9th inning!

 

[Jim Smyth]

There was plenty of Swapa emails, newsletters and information regarding the vote. If they didnt know they could vote its because they didnt take the time to read the information given to them!

 

[Falconjet]

Pitiful.

With friends like that......................

FJ

 

[Daddy]

If those FO's didn't know they are f-ing morons...they send you emails every week...it's not rocket science and yet still more CA's voted than FO's. For the life of me I can't understand what goes on in the heads of the FO's at SWA just sitting there completely oblivious to what is going on around them....the worst part is the number that voted for it uke:

 

[Tejas-Jet]

If those FO's didn't know they are f-ing morons...they send you emails every week...it's not rocket science and yet still more CA's voted than FO's. For the life of me I can't understand what goes on in the heads of the FO's at SWA just sitting there completely oblivious to what is going on around them....the worst part is the number that voted for it

Last 2 F/O's that I flew with told me that they were voting in favor of the age change....I thought that was good.

Bottom line...you vote the way you want to at "your house"...and our guys will vote the way they want to here....I think ( but I could be mistaken) it's called "Democracy"

Tejas

 

[Tejas-Jet]

I've talked to several probationary FOs who were under the impression they weren't allowed to vote.

I wonder how many of the 1000+ non voting FOs were in that catagory.

Whaaaatttt??? Even New Hires still in the Training Center can vote. Everybody knew that.

 

[CF34-3B1]

Anyone think age 65 and the slowdown in upgrades it will cause will have any impact on what the Negotiating Comm will shoot for in FO pay rates?

 

[CF34-3B1]

Whaaaatttt??? Even New Hires still in the Training Center can vote. Everybody knew that.

The guys I talked to who thought they couldn't both came from ALPA carriers, where, I guess, newbies can't vote.

I set them straight, but I'm guessing it's just a pre conceived notion from their former jobs.

 

[Daddy]

Not to be crass, but please tell them to pull their heads out of their asses...we've got way too many FO's like them here apparently

 

[Benhuntn]

Great vote!

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

The problem here is too many retired Air Farce types that get here and realize holy shii-e, this beats the hell out of the AF. Thus the continued downward spiral of our profession continues, 8 to 5 we dont get near the raise we thought we were going to get, now that swa manaemnt will view this as a indirect raise.

 

[The Prussian]

Question is...Who's got a better grip on what reality is?

 

[Phil O'Sopher]

Anyone think age 65 and the slowdown in upgrades it will cause will have any impact on what the Negotiating Comm will shoot for in FO pay rates?

It certainly would be nice if they could bump the "senior" FO's pay rates, say Years 7 and up by about 20% or so to lessen the "opportunity costs" that this will cause, but I don't know what will have to suffer to pay for it. Talk to your reps. There are going to be many implications for the new contract.

 

[CF34-3B1]

Not to be crass, but please tell them to pull their heads out of their asses...we've got way too many FO's like them here apparently

Don't worry, I was very crass about it. And now they know.

 

[GuppyWN]

Bottom line...you vote the way you want to at "your house"...and our guys will vote the way they want to here....I think ( but I could be mistaken) it's called "Democracy"

Tejas

Tejas, You're my bro but please don't lump me into the group that wants a 10 year upgrade and a REQUIREMENT to work to 65 to make up the lost dollars of the delayed upgrade.

Gup

 

[Skater]

Ditto.....

Everyone seems to be convinced that the 6%-8% growth is some birthright with the company. Ask the guys stuck with no growth after 9/11 about that. If there is another downturn for any reason (terrorism, economy...) there will be alot of F/O's regretting their choice of vote or the idiocy of not voting while they are sitting next to a 64 year old pissed about running out of sick leave and having to fly more than one trip a month while they are gutting out their ten years to upgrade.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

f ing pitiful

 

[jonjuan]

Tejas, You're my bro but please don't lump me into the group that wants a 10 year upgrade and a REQUIREMENT to work to 65 to make up the lost dollars of the delayed upgrade.

Gup

You "REQUIRE" to work to age 65? Do you really require more than $3 million to retire at 60 or do you simply plan to go through 3 wives?

 

[Quimby]

Great vote!

I hope you're kidding.

 

[Quimby]

The problem here is too many retired Air Farce types that get here and realize holy shii-e, this beats the hell out of the AF.


winner, winner chicken dinner.

 

[DLax85]

Ditto.....

Everyone seems to be convinced that the 6%-8% growth is some birthright with the company.....

Good point Skater.

The assumption of constant growth rates into perpetuity. Reserved for folks with big calculators and small minds.

 

[BVT94]

The problem here is too many retired Air Farce types that get here and realize holy shii-e, this beats the hell out of the AF.


winner, winner chicken dinner.

Quim,

You hittin' da sauce?