SWAPA "AIP reached with Company"

[Tripower455]

Absolutely disagree about the yes vote. This TA will fail in my opinion. Even on the SWAPA forum there is zero support for this. This deal has garnered WAY more negativity than the last TA that was scrapped. It may not be the resounding NO that the F.A.'s put together, but I still believe it will not pass.

Possibly.

Never underestimate the SW pilot's willingness to sell out!

 

[FlyinGuy]

sssshhhhhhh....

They quiet yessies are gonna sneak up on the vocal no voters and kick them in the jimmy!!!

Just wait and see....

 

[Just thinking]

Sell yourself out for a measly bonus that will be quickly eroded with new work rules because subsets will diminish any chance of earning the same as previous years. It is written for a minimum guarantee of 90 hours. Don't buy off on the fancy graphs and charts depicting the historical 108 TFP. That will be quickly gutted once they screw the subsets. If the economy tanks (as the analyst states) SWA will continue to generate money through code share and interline agreements while swap pilots flounder.

 

[Tripower455]

Sell yourself out for a measly bonus that will be quickly eroded with new work rules because subsets will diminish any chance of earning the same as previous years.

Yeah, but a bonus is BETTER than retro!

It is written for a minimum guarantee of 90 hours. Don't buy off on the fancy graphs and charts depicting the historical 108 TFP.

That 108 fiction has been around for years. It makes us look better paid than we are. Line guarantee is the only honest number to use.

That will be quickly gutted once they screw the subsets. If the economy tanks (as the analyst states) SWA will continue to generate money through code share and interline agreements while swap pilots flounder.

Yeah, but did you hear we are getting a BONUS that's better than retro AND .7% retirement improvement? If we vote it down, the next one will be worse, and we might even die!

 

[Tripower455]

sssshhhhhhh....

They quiet yessies are gonna sneak up on the vocal no voters and kick them in the jimmy!!!

Just wait and see....

Yup...

The last 2 FOs I've flown with are "undecided", which means that they're gonna vote yes. Neither have read the entire TA, just the "overview". They both want to go to the road show to get "educated".

 

[airline#5]

bet they weren't FAT pilots

 

[freightdogfred]

I'm too busy counting lotto winnings to vote, being a senior fo....I guess not voting counts as a yes? So be it

 

[FlyinGuy]

bet they weren't FAT pilots

Wrong again....but thanks for playing. We have "equal opportunity screwer's" from all walks of life!

 

[shootr]

Yup...

The last 2 FOs I've flown with are "undecided", which means that they're gonna vote yes. Neither have read the entire TA, just the "overview". They both want to go to the road show to get "educated".

Don't know what days of the week you fly but EVERY FO I've flown with has been an adamant NO. Lately, I've flown with about 50/50 FAT/OSW, hardlines, blank lines, and reserve...BWI and MCO.

 

[Tripower455]

Don't know what days of the week you fly but EVERY FO I've flown with has been an adamant NO. Lately, I've flown with about 50/50 FAT/OSW, hardlines, blank lines, and reserve...BWI and MCO.

I must've just gotten lucky. I was surprised by the real junior yes voters. This thing is gonna hurt them far more than it will me.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Since GK and RB are pretty much using an old pattern bargaining playbook, how much do you want to bet a 'no' vote is followed by an immediate stop of hiring, press releases that say "well we WERE going to grow to 50 cities in the Caribbean but NOW.." and a furlough of a few hundred guys to show he isn't afraid to take hostages? Everybody needs to be squirreling money away for a rainy day because this ain't Herb's airline anymore. It's just a job. Not a cause.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

I'll bet John was there, and told those clowns to shut their traps!

 

[slaquer5]

Yup...

The last 2 FOs I've flown with are "undecided", which means that they're gonna vote yes. Neither have read the entire TA, just the "overview". They both want to go to the road show to get "educated".

Good Info for them







http://www.pprune.org/redirect-to/?redirect=http://www.taredmarks.com

 

[Phlintstone]

I've only flown one trip since this was announced. A senior PHX CA is a "Yes." He is worried about the unknown if we vote it down. I said I was a big NO! Section 1 alone was a killer for me. I tried to convince him that the current contract is better than this deal...

06

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

I work quite a bit. Haven't met one certain yes. Knew one who is now a no. Flew with a guy close to retirement. Even he was a no fully knowing it was going to cost him a few bucks.

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

As Winston Churchill said "never was so much owed by so many to so few" in the case here it is the "few trying to imagine what the many would vote" someone should start a pool for the numbers of Yes V No

 

[Just thinking]

if the kompany can afford to pay United 120 million plus rent for the Delta gates I am certain they can afford to pony up a crap load more money than what they have offered. It is rather odd how many of the past Union minions have come out with their own spin and "educated" opinions of the POS TA. Previous VP with his own fuzzy math of the 26% raise.... Really? Previous president helping the cause without addressing serious issues..... Must be looking for future job with the kompany to enjoy the Monday afternoon deck parties. What the phuque happened to with the current president that he went rogue? None of this was mentioned in any of his previous video messages.

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I am voting NO

 

[N1atEcon]

The guy I just flew with wants a raise so he is a yes. He was perplexed when I showed him some changes in the contract he didn't know we're in there.

 

[outerlimits]

You SWA pilots are a bunch of babies . Show me one time in the history of aviation ,where codeshare has hurt the mainline carrier or the pilots .

 

[CaptWidgeon]

The guy I just flew with wants a raise so he is a yes. He was perplexed when I showed him some changes in the contract he didn't know we're in there.

was he still a yes after you showed him the easter eggs.