SWA Won't Share Its Pain With Workers

[Skybus]

General

Again could you please clarify "loads" of people for me. If you are going to make such outrageous statement then please have the supporting facts. I would not even go as far as to say we have LOADS of DL Veterans that ran for cover to join our ranks because I do not have the official number. It is however safe to say it is a larger figure than the "Loads" that left WN

 

[328dude]

There's been numerous post's on here asking for Genital to prove his statements and many have gone unanswered. While I agree that not everyone want's to do multiple legs, some of his statements are unfactual which he continues to repeat without any proof, evidence or factual information.

He claims to be great at debates on an informative nature, but sometimes he is unable to verify the information he post's and therfore does not respond.

While both SWA and DL (now) are good companys, he continues to flame bait the situation on this property with his half truths.

A fellow poster posted the numbers for BWI base and his backpeddling started. Other bases are roughly the same percentages as BWI including DAL and HOU which is lower than BWI for August in regards to average legs per day.

While we do not have international operations, yes, our schedules with multiple legs with the average of 3 legs per day as opposed to Delta's international routes which have one do to FAA limits. No brainer there. He continues to spout that every day of our trips have multiple legs of 5 or more, which is not the case.

Anyone that is in the process of interviewing know what each company offers if they did their homework.

While I agree with Genital that not everyone wants to come here, that is fine. But his continuous half truths and flame baiting is typical of the double breasted type I have met. Enjoy the van ride.

 

[AV80R]

There's been numerous post's on here asking for Genital to prove his statements and many have gone unanswered. While I agree that not everyone want's to do multiple legs...He continues to spout that every day of our trips have multiple legs of 5 or more, which is not the case...

So far I totally agree with you...

...But his continuous half truths and flame baiting is typical of the double breasted type I have met...

Here I feel like I pulled a General on us! Why are you repeating his mistakes?

 

[General Lee]

There's been numerous post's on here asking for Genital to prove his statements and many have gone unanswered. While I agree that not everyone want's to do multiple legs, some of his statements are unfactual which he continues to repeat without any proof, evidence or factual information.

He claims to be great at debates on an informative nature, but sometimes he is unable to verify the information he post's and therfore does not respond.

While both SWA and DL (now) are good companys, he continues to flame bait the situation on this property with his half truths.

A fellow poster posted the numbers for BWI base and his backpeddling started. Other bases are roughly the same percentages as BWI including DAL and HOU which is lower than BWI for August in regards to average legs per day.

While we do not have international operations, yes, our schedules with multiple legs with the average of 3 legs per day as opposed to Delta's international routes which have one do to FAA limits. No brainer there. He continues to spout that every day of our trips have multiple legs of 5 or more, which is not the case.

Anyone that is in the process of interviewing know what each company offers if they did their homework.

While I agree with Genital that not everyone wants to come here, that is fine. But his continuous half truths and flame baiting is typical of the double breasted type I have met. Enjoy the van ride.

You are ridiculous. How am I supposed to prove exact trips and pairings when I do not fly for Southwest? But, to say that you do NOT fly multiple leg days (that can mean more than one, up to six probably) is a lie. You also do 25 minute turns, which is a public fact and can tire any pilot (I used to do them for Delta Express, and had a tough time getting food or just relaxing between flights if we were late in the NE). And, you fly one type of equipment, and always will until we see an order stating the opposite. So, where again have I lied? You need to wake up and see that these things NEED to be known by any potential interviewee.

I love the fact that you guys deny that you work hard, after pointing out that your trips are so productive (23 hour 3 day for example) That means a lot of work, and a lot of work means being tired. Sorry, you can't disconnect those. We have a 28 hour 3 day to Tokyo from ATL, but we have 4 crew members, a rest facility above the first class section with two bunks and two first class seats, and we have a 24 hour layover in NRT. You don't. You need to just accept the fact that your flying is NOT for everyone.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

There's been numerous post's on here asking for Genital to prove his statements and many have gone unanswered. While I agree that not everyone want's to do multiple legs...He continues to spout that every day of our trips have multiple legs of 5 or more, which is not the case...

So far I totally agree with you...

...But his continuous half truths and flame baiting is typical of the double breasted type I have met...

Here I feel like I pulled a General on us! Why are you repeating his mistakes?

Here are my statements, and you can refute them:

1. Southwest flies multiple leg days, some up to 6 legs possible.

2. Your turns are 25 minutes scheduled at the airport, sometimes not leaving enough time to relax

3. You fly one type of aircraft, with several variants (-300, -500, -700) with no other aircraft type on order

4. You have many flights a day to LBB, MAF, and AMA. (that doesn't mean you actually fly them)



So, refute those facts. Any half truths there?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[atafan]

Left this thread for a few days and came back to see if anything new was going on.

S. O. S.

I wish Delta and SWA would just merge and get this feud over with, you guys are obviously just in love....

 

[328dude]

You are ridiculous. How am I supposed to prove exact trips and pairings when I do not fly for Southwest? (you claim to have this ability General. Just stating what you have said in the past.)But, to say that you do NOT fly multiple leg days (that can mean more than one, up to six probably) is a lie. I agreed with you dumba$$. You also do 25 minute turns, (As opposed to large productivity sits? I'd rather fly and get done, then sit around the terminal.) which is a public fact and can tire any pilot (I used to do them for Delta Express, and had a tough time getting food or just relaxing between flights if we were late in the NE). And, you fly one type of equipment, and always will until we see an order stating the opposite. (duh!)So, where again have I lied? You need to wake up and see that these things NEED to be known by any potential interviewee.

I love the fact that you guys deny that you work hard, after pointing out that your trips are so productive (23 hour 3 day for example) That means a lot of work, and a lot of work means being tired. Sorry, you can't disconnect those. We have a 28 hour 3 day to Tokyo from ATL, but we have 4 crew members, a rest facility above the first class section with two bunks and two first class seats, and we have a 24 hour layover in NRT. You don't. (again, sharing bunk beds and dirty sheets is not for everyone)You need to just accept the fact that your flying is NOT for everyone. Neither is Delta. Do you agree with that statement? To each his/her own.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Ok, we do multiple legs and have the occasional LBB, AMA and MAF overnight. What was your point again for the last 1,000 posts?

 

[Rook]

I think there are good points made on both sides. I would've loved to work at SWA. Got shot down. Boo hoo BFD. Now I'm flying int'l and dig the gig a lot. Will I apply to SWA again? Maybe. I grew up just outside of DAL and would love to go back to Texas one day. I do have the itch to fly different airplanes though. Just haven't matured enough I guess.

 

[GuppyWN]

Funny thing is that Delta used to fly to AMA, LBB and MAF. But that was before they gave away all their jobs to regional pilots.

And General, puleeeeeeaaaaaassssssseeeee. A Delta dude pushing a wheelchair? Never seen it and don't suspect I ever will.

Gup

 

[RollinOnMy22sYo]

. And do I help with the passengers who need wheelchairs or help with the strollers? You bet. I do that every flight, and most pilots at Delta do too. Bye Bye--General Lee

Yeah right.

 

[General Lee]

Funny thing is that Delta used to fly to AMA, LBB and MAF. But that was before they gave away all their jobs to regional pilots.

And General, puleeeeeeaaaaaassssssseeeee. A Delta dude pushing a wheelchair? Never seen it and don't suspect I ever will.

Gup

Ok, even I am getting tired of this thread. I think everyone is getting my point---that not everyone wants to be a corndog or have that flying lifestyle. The pay and people, they are great. Super. And, I do help with wheelchairs and strollers because I have about an hour between flights. It would be tougher for you guys because one of you pilots is running (and I mean an OJ sprint) to look for food, while the other one is copying the clearance incorrectly for your LAS to LAX flight. Delta pilots have the time needed to help passengers.(we are encouraged to say goodbye to the passengers, and you will see that almost every flight, while you guys hide in the cockpit after the carrier landing)

As far as this topic, I hope it is OVER, although I will revisit it if necessary.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Yeah right.

Did you do it at ASA? I doubt that. And, do you help wheel boxes off of your cargo MD11? Is it a World MD11? Do the troops need strollers?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[tomgoodman]

New F/O duty?

A Delta dude pushing a wheelchair? Never seen it and don't suspect I ever will.

That's because the "age 65" rule hasn't passed yet.

 

[AV80R]

Here are my statements, and you can refute them:
1. Southwest flies multiple leg days, some up to 6 legs possible.
2. Your turns are 25 minutes scheduled at the airport, sometimes not leaving enough time to relax
3. You fly one type of aircraft, with several variants (-300, -500, -700) with no other aircraft type on order
4. You have many flights a day to LBB, MAF, and AMA. (that doesn't mean you actually fly them)
So, refute those facts. Any half truths there?
Bye Bye--General Lee

General – I was “refuting” 328dude’s post not yours. Basically I was saying that he/she dislikes you picking on SWA yet in the last sentence he/she sort of picked on Delta. I was telling him/her to avoid repeating your mistakes.

What mistakes you ask? Well, frankly you’re hateful toward SWA pilots and sound like a true Delta "war-monger" puke:Nancy P’s favorite word). You keep writing about stuff that’s frankly none of yours business since you do not work there.

Look, the majority of pilots have commuted on SWA at some point, and most of us have friends who work there. We all know what kind of schedules they have and what kind of flying they do. Some people prefer international flying (such as you & I) while others prefer domestic. Many SWA pilots would probably like to do some international flying and I’m certain they will soon.

My point is » let’s poke fun at each other, lets joke about our schedules, the equipment we fly, day versus night flying, etc, etc. That’s all fun and very healthy. However, many of your posts seem very hostile toward SWA employees and I’m not sure why. Surely you must have commuted on them at one point? I have done it for years and must say that you’re picking on a work force of pilots, flight attendants, and gate agents who’ll bend over backward to try to get you to work or back to your home.

Heck, I know you think Delta is better than any other airline, but so what? I know you prefer international flying, well so do I. I even turned down an interview with swa shortly after I got on with brown because I felt I’d be much happier doing international flying. However, I still think swa is a good place to be, I just wanted to do different kind of flying, that’s all.

Sorry about the lengthy reply, but basically many of your posts seem to insinuate you believe that “pilots are their own worst enemies.” Well, frankly you seem to be proving your own point.

So I say, lighten up, we are all very happy Delta is doing well, we all hope your company will keep growing and hopefully you’ll feel the same about SWA (oh, and please keep brown in your thoughts too - a little more than purple of course! )

Cheers to all airline employees (including purple guys/gals ) :beer:

 

[General Lee]

Here are my statements, and you can refute them:
1. Southwest flies multiple leg days, some up to 6 legs possible.
2. Your turns are 25 minutes scheduled at the airport, sometimes not leaving enough time to relax
3. You fly one type of aircraft, with several variants (-300, -500, -700) with no other aircraft type on order
4. You have many flights a day to LBB, MAF, and AMA. (that doesn't mean you actually fly them)
So, refute those facts. Any half truths there?
Bye Bye--General Lee

General – I was “refuting” 328dude’s post not yours. Basically I was saying that he/she dislikes you picking on SWA yet in the last sentence he/she sort of picked on Delta. I was telling him/her to avoid repeating your mistakes.

What mistakes you ask? Well, frankly you’re hateful toward SWA pilots and sound like a true Delta "war-monger" puke:Nancy P’s favorite word). You keep writing about stuff that’s frankly none of yours business since you do not work there.

Look, the majority of pilots have commuted on SWA at some point, and most of us have friends who work there. We all know what kind of schedules they have and what kind of flying they do. Some people prefer international flying (such as you & I) while others prefer domestic. Many SWA pilots would probably like to do some international flying and I’m certain they will soon.

My point is » let’s poke fun at each other, lets joke about our schedules, the equipment we fly, day versus night flying, etc, etc. That’s all fun and very healthy. However, many of your posts seem very hostile toward SWA employees and I’m not sure why. Surely you must have commuted on them at one point? I have done it for years and must say that you’re picking on a work force of pilots, flight attendants, and gate agents who’ll bend over backward to try to get you to work or back to your home.

Heck, I know you think Delta is better than any other airline, but so what? I know you prefer international flying, well so do I. I even turned down an interview with swa shortly after I got on with brown because I felt I’d be much happier doing international flying. However, I still think swa is a good place to be, I just wanted to do different kind of flying, that’s all.

Sorry about the lengthy reply, but basically many of your posts seem to insinuate you believe that “pilots are their own worst enemies.” Well, frankly you seem to be proving your own point.

So I say, lighten up, we are all very happy Delta is doing well, we all hope your company will keep growing and hopefully you’ll feel the same about SWA (oh, and please keep brown in your thoughts too - a little more than purple of course! )

Cheers to all airline employees (including purple guys/gals ) :beer:

Well that was actually a nice post. I can see where you are coming from. This really all started when I stated way back when that not everyone wanted that Southwest "productive" lifestyle, and I got slammed. It started with that. I know that the pay is great over there, and that the stews are fun. I have jumped on them a couple times---LAS to LAX once, and another one on the East Coast. It was a hectic process, but I had fun. Was I envious? Not really. I couldn't get used to that pace. Maybe others can. My friends there tell me about their schedules and give me the low down. When surrounded by a group that thinks their job is Gawd given, then I tend to fire back. That's all. Thanks for the nice post.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GuppyWN]

I'd vote for killing the thread. I was just yanking your chain there General.

Anyhoo. Dude. It's a different world. I'd love to fly international just to try it. I'd like to fly a -400 just cause it looks cool. But. Aint gonna happen. I suspect I'll be flying something other than a 737 by the time I hang it up here but all in all it's a damn good job and I've been here way long enough to tell you I don't mind working for my coin.

Best of luck there General.
Gup

 

[Benhuntn]

GL we flew in coat and tie and we stayed in the finest hotels your money could buy. We didn't make much in the AF but I am making up for it now. I hope you like your Paris overnights or where ever....you do make CRAP though! I don't know why you think I am a sarge? I wouldn't insult our enlisted guys. They earn that rank. Anyway, you better run fill your kool aid glass and get back to posting.

 

[Skyboy722]

You need to wake up and see that these things NEED to be known by any potential interviewee.



Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

I pointed this out before, and will do so again. Do you REALLY think that anyone sitting at a Southwest interview DOES NOT KNOW that they will only be flying 73's domestically, several legs a day??? Do you REALLY think that they'll get to class and wonder if they'll get the 767 international bid???

Or are you just using this as a weak reason to keep saying the same old stuff over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

I say again, gimme a break!

To each his own. This IS my kind of flying. I personally can't stand long hauls. I do, however see the attraction and understand AND RESPECT that you prefer YOUR kind of flying. Also, that there are thousands of other pilots who also prefer SW's kind of flying, and thousands of pilots who prefer Delta's. In a perfect world, we all find a home with an airline that does our kind of flying. With that in mind, I think we're all doing just fine. I raise my glass to you for your own success in finding a home that suits you... and hope you'll do the same for us...

 

[General Lee]

GL we flew in coat and tie and we stayed in the finest hotels your money could buy. We didn't make much in the AF but I am making up for it now. I hope you like your Paris overnights or where ever....you do make CRAP though! I don't know why you think I am a sarge? I wouldn't insult our enlisted guys. They earn that rank. Anyway, you better run fill your kool aid glass and get back to posting.

So, we make crap, eh? Really? I guess bad things happen when you go through BK thanks to bad management. I hope you never go there, although anything is possible. And I bet you 23 year old studs looked really cool together in your "coat and tie" (yeah, right, and you wore your cool green flight suit to the bars too, go get um Maverick) in the Military..... Sure Sarge......You are writing checks your EGO can't cash. Do you order around your captains too because you were a COLONEL? Hillarious. I bet you do. Enjoy ELP sarge. I will enjoy Munich, Vienna, Paris, Madrid, London, Frankfurt, Rio, Buenos Aires, Santiago, Zurich, and Barcelona. (and I can go back to Domestic anytime I want)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General,

I pointed this out before, and will do so again. Do you REALLY think that anyone sitting at a Southwest interview DOES NOT KNOW that they will only be flying 73's domestically, several legs a day??? Do you REALLY think that they'll get to class and wonder if they'll get the 767 international bid???

Or are you just using this as a weak reason to keep saying the same old stuff over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

I say again, gimme a break!

I am trying to let this die, but people like the Sarge above keep posting slams.

There are differences with all airlines, and some people look at the money only, without looking at the full picture. Again, I say again, if I am the only one telling them the difference, then they are not prepared to interview anywhere. But, I can give my opinion and they can formulate their own.

Bye Bye--General Lee