SWA Won't Share Its Pain With Workers

[bugchaser]

Hey General, what happened to you in LBB? There has to be a story behind all this hatred towards the Western half of the great state of Texas. Maybe the rich college girls in Lubbock won't give you the time of day and you have to travel to other parts where the women are "cheaper"? Or maybe you got your ass kicked there some time in the past and you are agraid and have it happen again? Whatever it is, get over it, move on, or STFU. You remind me of the old lady across the street. Too busy worrying about everyone elses business to live her own life. Your number of posts on FI speaks volumes about your life or lack there of.

 

[General Lee]

Hey General, what happened to you in LBB? There has to be a story behind all this hatred towards the Western half of the great state of Texas. Maybe the rich college girls in Lubbock won't give you the time of day and you have to travel to other parts where the women are "cheaper"? Or maybe you got your ass kicked there some time in the past and you are agraid and have it happen again? Whatever it is, get over it, move on, or STFU. You remind me of the old lady across the street. Too busy worrying about everyone elses business to live her own life. Your number of posts on FI speaks volumes about your life or lack there of.

Thanks, you must have been a bulley back in grade school, judging everyone while not looking in the mirror at your fat self. I can give my opinion on ANYTHING I want, and you can either put me on ignore, or debate it. I haven't seen anyone debate it. LBB is a hell hole that I went to once during a X-country delivery flight in a C182. I had to overnight there for wx reasons, and I hated every minute of it. The people were "interesting."

And what do you know about my number of posts on FI? I respond to every inquiry, and give my opinions on others. Some wish not to respond to anything because they don't understand the topic, or can't come up with any witty banter. You just sound like an idiot bulley who used to rely on your fat girth.

Not every pilot wants to be a corndog. Multiple leg days with 25 minute turns on one aircraft the rest of your life doesn't sound appealling to everyone. Get that into your thick head.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General, would you not agree that if people do not know what type company they are interviewing for, then they do not diserve the job. People go to SWA because of the reputation of the company. They do not come here because they are going to get to fly the "big iron". They know what type of flying they are going to do...and they choose it. We can go around all day about what is better, but in the end everyone has a different view of what is good for them. I am glad you like your job...I like mine too!

It is great that you love your job. Me too. That is wonderful. But, some people are brainwashed by military buddies, a dad who used to fly there, etc etc and haven't really considered all of the options. That is why some people come to this board, for second opinions or for insight into other carriers. I am just saying what I would not like about your airline---multiple leg days with 25 minute turns on one type of equipment. I think those are valid things that people should consider. If I were looking at Delta, I would look at financial stability, the number of people recently furloughed, bases, and what type of equipment you might start on. Those are all valid points that someone should look at. But, whenever I state anything like the cons I think SW has, I get slammed by people who can't believe I am raining on their religion. It is kinda comical.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[canyonblue]

It is kinda comical.


Bye Bye--General Lee

No, you're just comical. uke:

 

[General Lee]

No, you're just comical. uke:

Great comeback.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[AV80R]

Mega.... you're a A Cup.... maybe a B.....

No she ain't...and by the way, what size are you?

 

[BVT94]

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[Bake]

General, Never miss a good opportunity to shut up. Stupid people just can't post enough. You have got to be the dumbest ever.

MOD INPUT: THERE SHALL BE NO CUSS'N AND NO THREATS FOR A BRAWL'N, CARRY ON.

 

[Bake]

Here is my suggestion.. We set up a date, time, and place. Have a flight info moderator verify our identities. Invite all flightinfo.com users to be our guests and watch the fightn'. Free beer, whiskey, wine, or whatever your favorite drug is for all. Film the fightn' and send it to our kids when they are of age. This could be fun. Hey, if I receive the whoopn' it will be a gracious defeat. How bout it'. The only catch is it has to be in Lubbock or Midland, or Amarillo. I don't jumpseat offline. How bout it flightinfoers, wouldnt' this be fun.

Oh yeah, forgot to tell ya that I had a Delta Capt on the jumpseat the other day that said he knew who you were.

MOD INPUT: NO CUSS'N, NO FUSS'N AND NO SETTING UP FIGHTS ON OUR BEHALF!

 

[General Lee]

General, Never miss a good opportunity to shut the *******. Stupid people just can't post enough. You have got to be the dumbest ******* ever. You need a good ***** kickin'. Be glad to do it for ya.

Thanks a bunch. I think your post needs to be reported. Threats should not be allowed on any board. Really, you need figure that out soon.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Heavy Set, did you say watchin' the cute foreigners? No, we would rather get naked with the girls in LBB, MAF, and HRL. But don't worry not your daughter because she is probably heavy set too. Although we will let her get naked while we take pictures. You keep your overnights, we will keep ours. You keep looking and we will keep poking.

Bake,

I found another one of your offensive posts. You are disgusting and have been reported. You have to keep it civil on these boards, because stuff like this should not be tollerated. If you can't debate, then just say nothing at all.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Quimby]

I recommend putting GL on the ignore list. I can't stand to read another post from him.
:beer:

 

[General Lee]

I recommend putting GL on the ignore list. I can't stand to read another post from him.
:beer:

Good. And thanks for reminding me about the 9000 posts. Remind me when I hit 10,000 please.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[tomgoodman]

Perspective

LBB is a hell hole that I went to once during a X-country delivery flight in a C182.

Well, everyone in my UPT class thought that Lubbock was an exciting and cosmopolitan city, full of social and cultural attractions. That's because our base was 100 miles to the south, in Big Spring. :laugh:

 

[CHQ Pilot]

GL,

I've stayed out of this whole deal, but I'm not sure what you are after. Do you want us to say that a small percentage of our crews do 5 or more legs? You say you know...but do you really? You say you talk to "people who know", but is that the truth!?

I just went through every pairing from BWI (didn't want to take away too much of my time for every base)..and this is what I came up with...any other SWA pilots can dispute it.

Of ALL pairings..BWI only... (965 of them)

7 DAYS work 6 legs (no pairings work 7)

36 DAYS work 5 legs

Almost ALL pairings are 3 days, some are 4, but I'll give you that for my numbers..which means that the percentage of getting a pairing (of line holders) with 1 day having 5 legs (and by the way NO pairing had more than 1 day greater than 4 legs) is..

3.7% getting a pairing of a day that has 5 legs or
1.24% of all legs has 5 legs

.24% of all PAIRINGS have a DAY of 6 legs
.007% of all DAYS have 6 legs.

It doesn't seem to me your facts are right. I can go through every base if you want, but BWI seems to be a somewhat neutral ground. They do a lot of east coast plus long haul west coast. So, IMO, a good average. Like I said, I can go through every base and come up with numbers for all of them if you want to settle this once and for all. Your "friends" can be telling you one thing, but the schedules I think I can say don't lie.

I don't know what it is like to work for Delta, so don't presume you know what it is like to work here at SWA (by the schedules or our overnight cities from what you've heard from your "friends"). There is a true family aspect here that cannot be experienced unless you are a part of the workforce.

The flying isn't what you make it out to be, so please don't act like you experienced it. 25 min turns (yes we do them!) are not that bad. You're telling me (as a pilot) you can't turn a Delta domestic in 25 mins? As an FO I can get most of my stuff done before the pax are off and still have time to greet passengers. I'm not "worn out" by then end of the day and "exhausted" either.

The culture is different here. Have you met with pax that are on their way to a funeral and sat with them (all the while you had "duties" in the cockpit)? Have you while DH'ding helped the FAs? Have you talked to pax that started as a "rough neck" and now own their own oil company? Have you brought a wheelchair up from cargo and seen the look on a child's face that a "pilot" is helping them into their seat? I enjoy my job and every day I learn it is not because I am the "pilot".

So, GL, I know you like your Delta, but please don't act like you know what is like work here unless you do come to work here. It's more than legs, pairings, or pay. It's just so much more than that.

 

[SWA/FO]

my wife works full time

My Wife doesn't work fulltime, outside the house that is. I'm just a corndog flyer too, no international flying for me.

 

[capt. megadeth]

My Wife doesn't work fulltime, outside the house that is.

So what you are telling us is that you'll be paying child support AND alimony one day? :laugh:

Congratulations!

 

[Flyarcticcat]

GL,

I've stayed out of this whole deal, but I'm not sure what you are after. Do you want us to say that a small percentage of our crews do 5 or more legs? You say you know...but do you really? You say you talk to "people who know", but is that the truth!?

I just went through every pairing from BWI (didn't want to take away too much of my time for every base)..and this is what I came up with...any other SWA pilots can dispute it.

Of ALL pairings..BWI only... (965 of them)

7 DAYS work 6 legs (no pairings work 7)

36 DAYS work 5 legs

Almost ALL pairings are 3 days, some are 4, but I'll give you that for my numbers..which means that the percentage of getting a pairing (of line holders) with 1 day having 5 legs (and by the way NO pairing had more than 1 day greater than 4 legs) is..

3.7% getting a pairing of a day that has 5 legs or
1.24% of all legs has 5 legs

.24% of all PAIRINGS have a DAY of 6 legs
.007% of all DAYS have 6 legs.

It doesn't seem to me your facts are right. I can go through every base if you want, but BWI seems to be a somewhat neutral ground. They do a lot of east coast plus long haul west coast. So, IMO, a good average. Like I said, I can go through every base and come up with numbers for all of them if you want to settle this once and for all. Your "friends" can be telling you one thing, but the schedules I think I can say don't lie.

I don't know what it is like to work for Delta, so don't presume you know what it is like to work here at SWA (by the schedules or our overnight cities from what you've heard from your "friends"). There is a true family aspect here that cannot be experienced unless you are a part of the workforce.

The flying isn't what you make it out to be, so please don't act like you experienced it. 25 min turns (yes we do them!) are not that bad. You're telling me (as a pilot) you can't turn a Delta domestic in 25 mins? As an FO I can get most of my stuff done before the pax are off and still have time to greet passengers. I'm not "worn out" by then end of the day and "exhausted" either.

The culture is different here. Have you met with pax that are on their way to a funeral and sat with them (all the while you had "duties" in the cockpit)? Have you while DH'ding helped the FAs? Have you talked to pax that started as a "rough neck" and now own their own oil company? Have you brought a wheelchair up from cargo and seen the look on a child's face that a "pilot" is helping them into their seat? I enjoy my job and every day I learn it is not because I am the "pilot".

So, GL, I know you like your Delta, but please don't act like you know what is like work here unless you do come to work here. It's more than legs, pairings, or pay. It's just so much more than that.

Very informative and well said.

 

[SWA/FO]

So what you are telling us is that you'll be paying child support AND alimony one day? :laugh:

No, I was pointing out the fact that the SWA/FO makes some good coin and Momma doesn't work. I also don't live in FRESNO.

When is that dude going to step up to the plate and become Mr. Mega? ...........

the SWA/FO

 

[General Lee]

GL,

I've stayed out of this whole deal, but I'm not sure what you are after. Do you want us to say that a small percentage of our crews do 5 or more legs? You say you know...but do you really? You say you talk to "people who know", but is that the truth!?

I just went through every pairing from BWI (didn't want to take away too much of my time for every base)..and this is what I came up with...any other SWA pilots can dispute it.

Of ALL pairings..BWI only... (965 of them)

7 DAYS work 6 legs (no pairings work 7)

36 DAYS work 5 legs

Almost ALL pairings are 3 days, some are 4, but I'll give you that for my numbers..which means that the percentage of getting a pairing (of line holders) with 1 day having 5 legs (and by the way NO pairing had more than 1 day greater than 4 legs) is..

3.7% getting a pairing of a day that has 5 legs or
1.24% of all legs has 5 legs

.24% of all PAIRINGS have a DAY of 6 legs
.007% of all DAYS have 6 legs.

It doesn't seem to me your facts are right. I can go through every base if you want, but BWI seems to be a somewhat neutral ground. They do a lot of east coast plus long haul west coast. So, IMO, a good average. Like I said, I can go through every base and come up with numbers for all of them if you want to settle this once and for all. Your "friends" can be telling you one thing, but the schedules I think I can say don't lie.

I don't know what it is like to work for Delta, so don't presume you know what it is like to work here at SWA (by the schedules or our overnight cities from what you've heard from your "friends"). There is a true family aspect here that cannot be experienced unless you are a part of the workforce.

The flying isn't what you make it out to be, so please don't act like you experienced it. 25 min turns (yes we do them!) are not that bad. You're telling me (as a pilot) you can't turn a Delta domestic in 25 mins? As an FO I can get most of my stuff done before the pax are off and still have time to greet passengers. I'm not "worn out" by then end of the day and "exhausted" either.

The culture is different here. Have you met with pax that are on their way to a funeral and sat with them (all the while you had "duties" in the cockpit)? Have you while DH'ding helped the FAs? Have you talked to pax that started as a "rough neck" and now own their own oil company? Have you brought a wheelchair up from cargo and seen the look on a child's face that a "pilot" is helping them into their seat? I enjoy my job and every day I learn it is not because I am the "pilot".

So, GL, I know you like your Delta, but please don't act like you know what is like work here unless you do come to work here. It's more than legs, pairings, or pay. It's just so much more than that.

I have never said that your company culture wasn't great. If you head read my posts you would have seen that I said besides your great pay, you have fun stews and good management (for now). That is great. My point, though, is that not everyone wants to fly multiple leg days (and to say that the majority of your flights don't have them is wrong, maybe not in BWI, but other bases must have a lot more) with quick turns, flying one type of aircraft, domestically only. That's it. Not everyone wants that. My rants about LBB, MAF, and AMA are just that, rants. They are more of an annoyance to me---maybe not to others. It is great that you love your job. But, potential newhires might want to look at the whole picture and not just the great money you have right now. Why did loads of people leave Southwest in the late 90s for the legacies? (I know of a Southwest Captain that left for United, and then got furloughed after 9-11) And no, we can't turn a 757 or a 767 in 25 minutes. We have 183 seats on a 757 and 250 or so on the 767 (depends on the variant). We also have meals that are catered at the first class galleys which takes some time, and more bathrooms to clean vs a 737. And do I help with the passengers who need wheelchairs or help with the strollers? You bet. I do that every flight, and most pilots at Delta do too. I have plenty of friends who work at Southwest, and most love it. But, one did say to me that he was tired often, and said out loud "I don't think I could do this for another 20 years." That is what made me think of posting this. People should consider this before they interview. Have a great day.


Bye Bye--General Lee