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Flopgut said:
http://dig.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/SWA-UACorrespondence.pdf

Link above: SWA's Bob Montgomery states; "As part of this evaluation, we welcome the opportunity to discuss funding alternatives with the goal in mind to maintain the low cost structure we have both worked so hard to maintain at Hobby"

What exactly does that mean? If SWA is paying for it, what's a "funding alternative"? The city has also worked hard to keep the costs at Hobby low!?What's that mean? Kinda makes me wonder where the $110k for the study ended up even more. Did they work that hard to help CAL? Or did they just want a huge airport built/paid for by someone else? These five gates need to be bid out. If nothing else, run the price up on SWA. Wouldn't that be more like a free market? Have an auction. Let bidders decide what it's worth. Don't just hand it to SWA for pennies, because they asked real nice...
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You seriously think you've found some Smoking Gun here with Bob's statements?

It's business and negotiations 101 flop. Houston has bent over backwards for CAL in the past 20 years, and what did that get them? Hey, we're headed to the windy city thanks for all the help over all the years. I have to agree with wave, there was never really any loyalty to Houston, it was just convienent at the time!
 
I think people are making the mistake of using flightinfo rant as a representation of the overall attitude of a pilot group. Let's take a step back from the almighty forum and return to a hint of logical thinking. 99% of Southwest pilots I talk to have no desire to be the "highest" paid or be #1. They just want to go back to the good old days of being "second tier". There are a few on here who have landed themselves a SWA job in recent years and think they are top doodoo, but most just realize how lucky we are to be in the position we are in.
 
redflyer65 said:
It's business and negotiations 101 flop. Houston has bent over backwards for CAL in the past 20 years, and what did that get them?
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A world class airport that will sustain a growing Houston economy with connections all over the planet. Basically, the opposite of what you want and feel entitled to build. Yeah, UAL headquarters moved to Chicago. We're still Houston's 1st or 2nd largest employer.
 
To add to it look at what AT will be doing out of SAT. It will happen just not out of IAH. If you are worried about us, you need to worry about open skies part two. This will destroy all US airlines.
 
Flop u give a lot of threats if UAL does not get what they want.
What is stoping UAL from down sizing or pulling out even if they get everything they are asking for ?
 
Flop,

What is good for CAL is good for you, what is good for SWA is good for me. Denying SWA Int'l service out of HOU, is a win for CAL (good for you). You are not the honest broker in this argument (as are any SWA pilot on here who responds). This will come down to the City Council, who have handshake deals with CAL and have invested heavily in IAH, that does not make them an honest broker either...it seems that $130 fares to Bogota will be trumped by whatever promises took place between UCAL and the City of HOUston...
 
texman said:
To add to it look at what AT will be doing out of SAT. It will happen just not out of IAH. If you are worried about us, you need to worry about open skies part two. This will destroy all US airlines.
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madjack said:
Flop,

What is good for CAL is good for you, what is good for SWA is good for me. Denying SWA Int'l service out of HOU, is a win for CAL (good for you). You are not the honest broker in this argument (as are any SWA pilot on here who responds). This will come down to the City Council, who have handshake deals with CAL and have invested heavily in IAH, that does not make them an honest broker either...it seems that $130 fares to Bogota will be trumped by whatever promises took place between UCAL and the City of HOUston...
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Guys: You've been more than fair to me on this and I appreciate it. I am following this very close and being as active as I can outside FI. For me it's personal, and there are a two generations involved.

Something has to stand in the way of simple de-regulation as a national air transportation policy. Something like a 9-11 ought not transpire and it be such a windfall for only one airline segment. I'm not trying to be an honest broker for anything but legacy pilots in general. My airline is gone; Turned into something else. I'll pbly end up flying expat at some point.

SWA has put forth a very sloppy proposal here and I think it's a chance to give legacies a boost if we block Hobby as an international hub. And it's the right thing to do! I don't care if you guys fly South. I don't want to see any more airport favoritism toward SWA.
 
Cool- you get that it's all biased-
But it's an illogical argument to say that swa gets favored treatment when you're the one who has their own Goliath airport, built by the city, and we're at the airport that was built in the 30's.
 
waveflyer said:
Cool- you get that it's all biased-
But it's an illogical argument to say that swa gets favored treatment when you're the one who has their own Goliath airport, built by the city, and we're at the airport that was built in the 30's.
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One of the dumbest things I've ever seen a smart guy write.

Nevermind there are over a dozen other airlines at IAH. That you managed to see past the same issue at Hartsfield. That there are currently 12 open gates at IAH. Or that your airline used to serve this airport!! You chose the airport built in the 30s! You have also chosen to not update it much. Do you think possible business decision errors should not have consequences?

You can argue with me all you want. You know your mgt guys have handled this like amatuers.
 
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You guys been asking if I have any proof of this 40 year old aviation policy limiting Hobby to domestic only. Go to this link:

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/SWA-UACorrespondence.pdf

Read the two letters that start on page 11, and page 14.

No restrictions? Appears there is a specific case precedent that refers to multi airport municipal airport authorities and the need to limit certain types of operations to one field. If I read it right, it's part of what is currently governing the use of Dallas airports for international flts, which is something SWA has already agreed to?! (interesting) The result of airlines using one international airport's FIS and CBT facilities is that costs go down for all users equally. Which means everyone's ticket prices can go down, and that truly serves all customers. Not just one airline's.

Like I said, there appears to be a case precedent. Ought to be pretty cut and dry, really. But afterall you're SWA [special], so we'll see. We're not the commodity, in reality. We [airlines and airports] make/establish the market. One airport for competition is the best thing for the customer.
 
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Flop,

I don't care about continental. If you went out of business would not bother me at all. You are just going on and on about something that is going to happen anyway. You just don't quit whining. You can't change the outcome. So why cry over it
 
Flopgut said:
You guys been asking if I have any proof of this 40 year old aviation policy limiting Hobby to domestic only. Go to this link:

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/SWA-UACorrespondence.pdf

Read the two letters that start on page 11, and page 14.

No restrictions? Appears there is a specific case precedent that refers to multi airport municipal airport authorities and the need to limit certain types of operations to one field. If I read it right, it's part of what is currently governing the use of Dallas airports for international flts, which is something SWA has already agreed to?! (interesting) The result of airlines using one international airport's FIS and CBT facilities is that costs go down for all users equally. Which means everyone's ticket prices can go down, and that truly serves all customers. Not just one airline's.

Like I said, there appears to be a case precedent. Ought to be pretty cut and dry, really. But afterall you're SWA [special], so we'll see. We're not the commodity, in reality. We [airlines and airports] make/establish the market. One airport for competition is the best thing for the customer.
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That link doesn't show anything that you claim it does. The precedent that you refer to is nothing but FAA approval for cities to implement policies of restricting access to a single airport if that's what they want to do. However, Houston has not done that. There is no policy to limit international flights to a single airport in Houston. The precedent you reference gives Houston the right to implement that policy if they want to, but they haven't done that. Your argument that there is a single airport policy in Houston is flat out wrong.
 

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