SWA training rumor?

[-9Capt]

Sure you have instructors, how long would it take them to spin them up to SWA standards, a week? .

I know a few Airtran instructors that would rather fly dog $!ht out of Hong Kong than take a position with SWA. I'm talking about actual dog $!ht, not the rubber kind.

 

[Saluki Dawg]

I know a few Airtran instructors that would rather fly dog $!ht out of Hong Kong than take a position with SWA. I'm talking about actual dog $!ht, not the rubber kind.

You and anyone else that feels that way about your current and future employer should definitely do that then.

 

[HowardBorden]

I know a few Airtran instructors that would rather fly dog $!ht out of Hong Kong than take a position with SWA. I'm talking about actual dog $!ht, not the rubber kind.

They, like everyone have a choice about what offers of employment they accept. I'm still surprised that you are still coming to work at the big SWA considering your moral outrage concerning the type rating requirement.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Sometimes the golden handcuffs are stronger than the moral outrage.

 

[scoreboardII]

I know a few Airtran instructors that would rather fly dog $!ht out of Hong Kong than take a position with SWA. I'm talking about actual dog $!ht, not the rubber kind.

Your keyboard outrage is quite pathetic, if so morally outraged, you must leave.

Careful what they wish for, oh wait, AT pilots learned what happens when you say "no" to SWA, maybe the simulator instructors will, in the words of the arbitrator "not bet so poorly"..

 

[-9Capt]

I'm still surprised that you are still coming to work at the big SWA considering your moral outrage concerning the type rating requirement.

Being that I'm one of the "acquired, not hired", I have in no way contributed to that practice. Therefore my moral conscience is clear and my options are open.

 

[General Lee]

Your keyboard outrage is quite pathetic, if so morally outraged, you must leave.

Careful what they wish for, oh wait, AT pilots learned what happens when you say "no" to SWA, maybe the simulator instructors will, in the words of the arbitrator "not bet so poorly"..

And....there....you have it. Someone who understands what happened, and then brags about it! Wow......


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[scoreboardII]

And....there....you have it. Someone who understands what happened, and then brags about it! Wow......


Bye Bye----General Lee

Facts are facts GL, maybe the simulator folks will have more clarity of thought than the MEC.

 

[General Lee]

Being that I'm one of the "acquired, not hired", I have in no way contributed to that practice. Therefore my moral conscience is clear and my options are open.

You really do have options. One may involve a temporary pay cut, but one that would be short lived due to retirements, and could get you away from that bunk. Good luck.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Facts are facts GL, maybe the simulator folks will have more clarity of thought than the MEC.

Facts are facts? The MEC thought they had a process agreement that allowed arbitration if needed, as signed by the boss. Do you always take the first deal? Sounds like loyalty may not be uniform at your place...



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[scoreboardII]

If the first deal is good, why force it to a second worse deal?

 

[-9Capt]

If the first deal is good, why force it to a second worse deal?

Remember that when uncle Gary get fed up with negotiating your next CBA and offers SWAPA a "deal"

 

[General Lee]

If the first deal is good, why force it to a second worse deal?

That's what the used car salesman said to you also, right? You don't seem to understand that your boss signed a process agreement that supposedly stated arbitration was an option if they didn't agree. If the process agreement stated "take it or leave it", then that first offer might have been taken. Do you understand? If you were the ALPA MEC chair and thought you had options, one that might be better than the first, why take the first?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SWA Bubba]

Facts are facts? The MEC thought they had a process agreement that allowed arbitration if needed, as signed by the boss. Do you always take the first deal? Sounds like loyalty may not be uniform at your place...



Bye Bye---General Lee

Again, for the comprehension-challenged (that's you,General), we did have a process agreement that allowed for arbitration, as "signed by the boss." Said process agreement, which you know jack crap about, was followed. I realize you don't actually know what was in it, but it hasn't stopped you from blowing smoke out of your ass about it.

You keep saying stupid stuff, I keep pointing out that you're wrong, then you ignore and keep quiet for a while, then you bring it up again later, in a different thread, as if we never had the conversation in the first place. The facts haven't changed, General, no matter how many times you blather untrue crap.

Sounds like common sense and reading comprehension may not be uniform at your place...

Bubba

 

[scoreboardII]

That's what the used car salesman said to you also, right? You don't seem to understand that your boss signed a process agreement that supposedly stated arbitration was an option if they didn't agree. If the process agreement stated "take it or leave it", then that first offer might have been taken. Do you understand? If you were the ALPA MEC chair and thought you had options, one that might be better than the first, why take the first?


Bye Bye---General Lee

You don't understand, and continue to not understand; when you don't have leverage, you take the deal.

Pushing back on an agreed upon deal, in effect throwing it in back into the face of the guy your negotiators just agreed with, is not going to get you very far. Case in point, the MEC, threw the deal their negotiators just completed, back into Gary's face and said not good enough. How did that work out for them?

Do you understand?

 

[scoreboardII]

Remember that when uncle Gary get fed up with negotiating your next CBA and offers SWAPA a "deal"

It won't be a case of our NC agreeing to a deal, then having the union throw it back, our guys are not that simple.

 

[Phlintstone]

Not more of the same crap about the SLI. AT folks thinks it sucks and SW folks think we got a good deal. You'll never convince the other side to change their mind. For the FATies, either find another job or let it go. For the RSW guys, it just pisses us off when you say the PA was followed, we got a good deal etc. We feel otherwise. Now just STFU about the SLI...that goes for both sides.

Phred

 

[waveflyer]

"Folks resist change. They always have; probably always will. And no amount of reasoning will budge those who like things the way they are. As Hamlet put it, we would

  .   "...rather bear those ills we have
  .   Than fly to others that we know not of?"

But present us with the change, allow us to experience it, and gradually we will accept what we rejected formerly. There was a time when people rejected indoor plumbing, saying "Who wants a privy in their bedroom?" But "indoor privies" carried the day."

 

[Ualexpress]

This FATie agrees with Phlinstone, let's put the SLI talk to rest. It is over, done, kaput! Move on. Either accept it and move on with your career at SWA or move on somewhere else wherever that may be. Life is too short to be angry all the time.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Well said UALexpress!!