SWA to have a third aircraft?!?

[180ToTheMarker]

I think the biggest problem SWA will have in the A T L is the talent pool. Welcome to the jungle boys...

 

[thrasher]

I predict once the extended fences are removed, SWA won't be flying 717's.

 

[dh82dvr]

I predict once the extended fences are removed, SWA won't be flying 717's.

Why??

 

[redflyer65]

Since we fly to 450 destinations on 6 continents of course we have to have some help.
Since you fly to 71 destinations in 36 states, I would sure hope you have your own flying in house.

Wow, that's hilarious coming from a company that has NINE fleet types eating at the bottom line and a pilot contract with a weak scope clause(over 800 Connection airframes).

RF

 

[thrasher]

Kelly wants more seat capacity. The 717 is a dead, nice plane, not much support for the 20 plus years SWA wants to fly their a/c. If SWA flew it to those smaller cities we never intended to serve, it might be hard to turn a profit with no bag fee's and SWA pay rates (Pilots, FA's, ground, and MX etc) across the board. My bet is fence 2-4 years. Everyone keeps their seats even if the master SLI shows otherwise. Fence comes down, Boeing takes the 717 leases back and SWA replaces those with 800's or something bigger, hopefully. SLI integration happens, most (not all) pilots happy

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Now that's just rich. Sound's like your the perfect employee for Airline management. You can care less if DAL is doing the the flying as long has you have lots of destinations . I wonder how many pilots DAL will have on the property in 5 years, with your kind of thinking.

Wrong einstein. I said when you go to over 450 destinations you need some help. We cover the GLOBE, you cover west texas.

I am sure math is not your stronger point, but roughly DAL had 28 pilots per destination, SWA has 87. Perfect numbers if I was DAL CEO. As a pilot ( if you are one) nothing to be bragging about.

Again dip********************, you cover only 1/2 the US....We cover 6 out of 7 continents
I realize math is your strong point, because you used it to pay for your job!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Wow, that's hilarious coming from a company that has NINE fleet types eating at the bottom line and a pilot contract with a weak scope clause(over 800 Connection airframes).

RF

It'll be even more hilarious when you're slinging gear for an AT pilot who DIDN'T pay for his type!

I realize you expended most of your math skills in paying for for your training, but check again, on howmany connection airframes there are. And now many more are parking.

 

[Bill Nelson]

It'll be even more hilarious when you're slinging gear for an AT pilot who DIDN'T pay for his type!

What makes you think the AirTran pilots aren't going to be paying for a type? Talk of probation too.

 

[slaquer5]

Wrong einstein. I said when you go to over 450 destinations you need some help. We cover the GLOBE, you cover west texas.


Again dip********************, you cover only 1/2 the US....We cover 6 out of 7 continents
I realize math is your strong point, because you used it to pay for your job!

Wow do you eat with that mouth. I can only imagine what some SWA pilot did to your wife

 

[redflyer65]

but check again, on howmany connection airframes there are. And now many more are parking.

Let me check my math skills...

880 down to around 800 airframes is STILL a lot of airframes! Haha.

I love it when you and General start talking about the RJ reductions to come. It's like adding a drop of water to the ocean. Good luck with that 'Scope out RJ's', which is the most ironic name I've ever heard for a Delta guy...who likes bashing SW. Which doesn't have ANY RJ's. Just classic.

The NINE airframe 'synergies' are really starting to hit home for Anderson. It looked good on paper to right size the routes and the aircraft, but at the end of the day when you see all those extra parts sitting around....well, not so much.

 

[dicko]

What makes you think the AirTran pilots aren't going to be paying for a type? Talk of probation too.

You have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that you're irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[waveflyer]

Don't feed the sellout troll- we paid for our type- he pays in low wages and outsourcing

 

[slaquer5]

The same way I kiss your wife.



Actually my wife name is Steve, since I am gay. Any chance I can get some of the same loven you gave to my man Steve?

 

[waveflyer]

Nice
Haha

 

[slaquer5]

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[Skyboy722]

My check was probably just about the same as you paid for that type rating. I used it to upgrade my kitchen and retile the pool.

That's all you can do with your check?

 

[clr4theapch]

As you all might assume, violations of the terms of service will be handled as soon as reported or when we run across a violation. Members are reminded that personal attacks and naming names in some attempt to defame or embarrass another member WILL NOT be tolerate..

Lest we forget this web site is a place to mutually discuss all things aviation without fear of attacks or other offenses.. Members that have been warned or suspended before will face increasingly longer suspensions..

Scope if on vacation for 4 weeks..

 

[redflyer65]

Nicely played, I must admit.

 

[Midge]

Lest we forget this web site is a place to mutually discuss all things aviation

:laugh::laugh:

Thanks for the laugh!

 

[FlyinGuy]

Scope if on vacation for 4 weeks..

What!!!!! No SWA type bashing for 4 weeks....awesome!!!

 

[waveflyer]

Personally I didn't take it as an attack to be called gay- WGAF- but to be called "Steve"???!
Uncalled for!!
(ps- I don't report- that's just not me)

 

[Lear70]

What makes you think the AirTran pilots aren't going to be paying for a type? Talk of probation too.

Probation is a non-starter, it's not even on the table.

However, type ratings might be undecided for right now. There are most likely discussions of that ongoing and it remains to be seen what will be done with that. It's a pretty hefty financial chunk of change, our 737 F/O's aren't typed (unless they were typed somewhere else) and of course anyone wanting to transition to the 737 would have to be typed. Normally I'd say that Southwest would have to pay for that, but Southwest isn't a typical airline.

The sticky part will be how you deal with current 737 F/O's. How do you force someone to go buy training when they already have the job and neither CBA allows for a pilot to be terminated or displaced because of a type rating purchase. I imagine you'd wind up with a DFR lawsuit against ALPA by our F/O's pretty quickly if they deliberately negotiated away a $7k or $8k chunk of change from their pockets.

The only way I can see around that is if the ARBITRATOR includes it in his decision, and I highly doubt anyone would, as it's not germaine to a SLI decision. But as far as the 717 pilots who transition over at a later date... if it's not because of a displacement... you never know.

Just food for thought.

 

[texman]

Probation is a non-starter, it's not even on the table.

However, type ratings might be undecided for right now. There are most likely discussions of that ongoing and it remains to be seen what will be done with that. It's a pretty hefty financial chunk of change, our 737 F/O's aren't typed (unless they were typed somewhere else) and of course anyone wanting to transition to the 737 would have to be typed. Normally I'd say that Southwest would have to pay for that, but Southwest isn't a typical airline.

The sticky part will be how you deal with current 737 F/O's. How do you force someone to go buy training when they already have the job and neither CBA allows for a pilot to be terminated or displaced because of a type rating purchase. I imagine you'd wind up with a DFR lawsuit against ALPA by our F/O's pretty quickly if they deliberately negotiated away a $7k or $8k chunk of change from their pockets.

The only way I can see around that is if the ARBITRATOR includes it in his decision, and I highly doubt anyone would, as it's not germaine to a SLI decision. But as far as the 717 pilots who transition over at a later date... if it's not because of a displacement... you never know.

Just food for thought.

Lear and AT bro's. From what I hear, know one will have to have a type nor get one. You will be typed when you upgrade.

 

[Skybus]

I predict you are wrong. The numbers indicate otherwise. A lot will depend on renegotiated leases that SW can demand that AT did hot have to HP to negotiate.

 

[texman]

I predict you are wrong. The numbers indicate otherwise. A lot will depend on renegotiated leases that SW can demand that AT did hot have to HP to negotiate.

Can you elaborate a little.

 

[Bill Nelson]

Probation is a non-starter, it's not even on the table.

The decision will be made by SWA and won't be a negotiated item is what i'd guess. If it is negotiated, I'd be shocked if ALPA was at the table. I'm not even sure ALPA has spoken to anyone of consequence at SWA since the initial meet and greet.

SWA is purchasing AirTran and will offer employment. The ALPA contract will go away and there is 1 year of probation allowed in the SWAPA contract. All AirTran pilots will be new hires by definition so probation is absolutely "on the table." I doubt to many SWA pilots would object and ALPA is of no consequence.

 

[Lear70]

The decision will be made by SWA and won't be a negotiated item is what i'd guess. If it is negotiated, I'd be shocked if ALPA was at the table. I'm not even sure ALPA has spoken to anyone of consequence at SWA since the initial meet and greet.

SWA is purchasing AirTran and will offer employment. The ALPA contract will go away and there is 1 year of probation allowed in the SWAPA contract. All AirTran pilots will be new hires by definition so probation is absolutely "on the table." I doubt to many SWA pilots would object and ALPA is of no consequence.

I'm not even going to justify such an obvious attempt at scare tactics with a rational response. It's just not worth my time to explain why it's not legal in any way, shape, or form.

Nice flamebait, though...

 

[ArcadiaMaxima]

I think it is definitely is on the table
....why would a corporation bring unknowns into their house without a way to get rid of the ones who don't want to play by their rules.....and after the 1 year probation, the unions role is only to make sure the punishment fits the crime....not to keep the job at all cost

 

[Bill Nelson]

It's just not worth my time to explain why it's not legal in any way, shape, or form.

You need to study up if you think there is any law that would keep a company from implementing a probation period on new hire employees. I'm not certain that SWA will require probation but that is the rumor. I am certain that if SWA wants a probation period they will get a probation period just as they do with every other new hire pilot.

 

[Ty Webb]

You need to study up if you think there is any law that would keep a company from implementing a probation period on new hire employees. I'm not certain that SWA will require probation but that is the rumor. I am certain that if SWA wants a probation period they will get a probation period just as they do with every other new hire pilot.

Bill, with this latest bit of stupidity you officially became an FI Idiot. Welcome to my ignore list, your posts have gone "full retard" and are downright offensive.

You can tell me all about my probation when we're flying together.