SWA TA Passes

[northstar]

huh? not following you. the only thing I heard about jumpseat was that CM tried to sneak something in at some point making pilots not first priority (management guys besides the big 5 or so could bump us). union said forget it. did something else change?

The dispatcher was a nice guy, I've had him up front before. They feel like it was a slap in the face from both sides (pilots and the company) to agree on this. He claimed, from now on, if any dispatcher is flying on SWA, they will be logging MUST RIDE company observation time.

 

[firstthird]

I'm just not sure what you're talking about. What in the current CBA changed WRT jumpseating? were dispatchers trying to get something that wasn't there, did they 'lose' something? I find it disturbing that he is pissed and considering doing 'punitive' type actions on something that I've never even heard of. does swapa need to have a sit down with those guys? did we screw them somehow? what is going on?

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Dispatchers do not use the jumpseat to commute to work. I believe that most of our Dispatchers will give up a jumpseat for someone commuting to work.

 

[C-21Pilot]

Had a commuting MX guy today give me shet about the new jumpseat policy, too.

 

[northstar]

I'm just not sure what you're talking about. What in the current CBA changed WRT jumpseating? were dispatchers trying to get something that wasn't there, did they 'lose' something? I find it disturbing that he is pissed and considering doing 'punitive' type actions on something that I've never even heard of. does swapa need to have a sit down with those guys? did we screw them somehow? what is going on?

Ok dude, I guess my sheeet is confusing.

BEFORE TA2 passed... ON A SPACE AVAILABLE basis, whoever showed up at the gate first (pilot, dispatcher, or mechanic) would have the jumpseat.

NOW.. with TA2... if a dispatcher signs up for the jumpseat, and I show up AFTER him (keep in mind on a space available basis) then I can now BUMP him due to our new language.

The dispatchers we're ticked that the boarding priority has changed. The language in TA2 now clearly states that SWA pilots have priority on the J/S over ANY other company official.

That's it.

 

[northstar]

Dispatchers do not use the jumpseat to commute to work. I believe that most of our Dispatchers will give up a jumpseat for someone commuting to work.

yeah right man

 

[Daddy]

Ok dude, I guess my sheeet is confusing.

BEFORE TA2 passed... ON A SPACE AVAILABLE basis, whoever showed up at the gate first (pilot, dispatcher, or mechanic) would have the jumpseat.

NOW.. with TA2... if a dispatcher signs up for the jumpseat, and I show up AFTER him (keep in mind on a space available basis) then I can now BUMP him due to our new language.

The dispatchers we're ticked that the boarding priority has changed. The language in TA2 now clearly states that SWA pilots have priority on the J/S over ANY other company official.

That's it.

I fail to see a problem with that since pilots are the only ones commuting to/from work

 

[Dude]

Under NO circumstances should anyone except a pilot or a ****************************** fed bump another pilot. The dispatchers and mx can piss and moan all they want, but that seat is for pilots. If a pilot gets bumped for a dispatcher doing observations, that is POOR form and we should know about it. THe F/As wanted into the cockpit too. If the 4th is taken they want the cockpit. I fully expect to lose the fourth in the near future.

This place is a changin', and not in a good way. Pilots are nothing special anymore. We are just here to push a few buttons.

 

[northstar]

Under NO circumstances should anyone except a pilot or a ****************************** fed bump another pilot. The dispatchers and mx can piss and moan all they want, but that seat is for pilots. If a pilot gets bumped for a dispatcher doing observations, that is POOR form and we should know about it. THe F/As wanted into the cockpit too. If the 4th is taken they want the cockpit. I fully expect to lose the fourth in the near future.

This place is a changin', and not in a good way. Pilots are nothing special anymore. We are just here to push a few buttons.

Agree 1000%.

 

[737tanker]

BEFORE TA2 passed... ON A SPACE AVAILABLE basis, whoever showed up at the gate first (pilot, dispatcher, or mechanic) would have the jumpseat.

This is partly correct. In the FOM (page 7.2.22) Space Available pilots and dispatchers had the same priority on the jumpseat, but both were ahead of other company personnel, which included the mechanics. So the new contract keeps the mechanics behind the pilots, but also puts the dispatchers behind the pilots. Also since it is in the contract it is more difficult to change than just being in the FOM.

 

[murano]

This is partly correct. In the FOM (page 7.2.22) Space Available pilots and dispatchers had the same priority on the jumpseat, but both were ahead of other company personnel, which included the mechanics. So the new contract keeps the mechanics behind the pilots, but also puts the dispatchers behind the pilots. Also since it is in the contract it is more difficult to change than just being in the FOM.

I didn't even know that I could have been bumped by a dispatcher on my own airline. Glad that hadn't happened to me because there woulda been some major drama if I was commuting home on say, xmas eve.

Glad this got fixed.

 

[firstthird]

thanks for the explanation. I didn't know that either. I figured that pilots had first rights to the cockpit jumpseats. I'm glad that we do now.

 

[GuppyWN]

Before it was "first come first served."

Gup

 

[FatesPawn]

Had a dispatcher on the jumpseat yesterday out of Midway. He said they feel defeated about the jumpseat amendment in our TA2. He said they are all going to start doing their full 5 hours of jumpseat time a year as company must rides without reducing time with takeoffs and landings.

:shudder:

I realize the dispatchers may be irritated, but it is the right way to run the jumpseat. I don't think these guys are going to go "out of their way" to fly more mandatory jumpseats. If they do, so be it. Frankly, we will never know if they are being abusive towards us because we will just see them as a must ride... unless they get in our face about it - but again, I don't think that would happen. Besides, I would imagine their extra "must rides" they are threatening are going to be fewer than the number of times they just "showed up first." It's still going to work to our advantage. The only "threat" is the Non-reduction for landings... and that's a pretty small number.

CM called the day the BOD was deliberating over the AIP and expressed problems with the policy because the Dispatchers got wind of it and were upset. Also, we can now bump Gary and Herb - unless they're must ride. Which is fine. I would imagine that any pilot would probably give up their seat for those folks - frankly the pilot and Herb would probably get into an argument about who gets to stay behind!

-fate