SWA Plans Adding 25 International Flights from FLL

[scoreboardII]

Buried Braniff...

Wiki:

The airline ceased operations on May 12 and 13, 1982 due to both high fuel prices and competition after implementation of the Airline Deregulation Act in December 1978

That and maybe buying concords to fly subsonic across the US.

 

[scoreboardII]

Dan: You say things that sound good, your actions are otherwise [65]. That's the simple truth. Additionally, you have not had to catch the whole SWA act in person. Wait til they find someone who can hold their hand thru etops and they start going to Hawaii. Then tell me how impressed, patient and happy you are as you watch them accumulate political favors you thought weren't possible.

I agree Continental has an awful past. But I think more than any other group, Continental pilots had to eat a mile of sh1t for it. We still do, everyday. As hard as any group of airline employees felt it was to improve their company and their contracts selling against CAL/Lorenzo in the 80s, I think I'd still maybe rather that than sell against an outfit like SWA. Good Lord, they get handed any Texas airport deal they need. They buried Braniff, Transtar and have half buried AirTran. All while whistling zippidy doo da out their a-holes. And, let's all watch closely, because there is going to be more trickery in the route situation with SWA. The way international routes have been awarded for the last 60-70 years isn't going to work for SWA.

Ooooh!! Please share about the trickery!!! Or will it maybe be standard business negotiations where both parties reap a benefit? I guess if you work for UCAL, fair business deals would seem like some mystical enterprise.

 

[HowardBorden]

Ooooh!! Please share about the trickery!!! Or will it maybe be standard business negotiations where both parties reap a benefit? I guess if you work for UCAL, fair business deals would seem like some mystical enterprise.

Come on scoreboard, you know that there is a double secret set of regulations that only apply to Southwest while every other airline in the country must comply with a completely onerous set of rules that were enacted solely to give SWA an advantage.

Did you miss that day of ground school?

 

[Dan Roman]

Buried Braniff...

Wiki:

That and maybe buying concords to fly subsonic across the US.

...and flying empty 747's all over the place, not having a clue how to handle deregulation, they expanded like wild fire with no thought put into the viability of the routes they flew as they thought deregulation wouldn't last and they wanted as many routes already established as possible, even if they didn't make money.
AA did play a lot of dirty tricks on them, never heard SWA being blamed for their demise though.

 

[tankerhead]

AA did play a lot of dirty tricks on them, never heard SWA being blamed for their demise though.

Well, you just did....and it came from a pretty reasonable, reliable, and rational source.

 

[HowardBorden]

Well, you just did....and it came from a pretty reasonable, reliable, and rational source.

Even though I think you're wrong, it would seem in this case it would be hard to argue against the "turnabout is fair play " doctrine.

Considering the fact that Braniff and Texas International complained to the Civil Aeronautics Board that Southwest's operation might violate its intrastate exclusivity. Kelleher pleaded the case before the CAB. Two days before Southwest's scheduled inaugural flight, word was received that the CAB had thrown out the objections of Braniff and Texas International. But almost in the same instant, it was learned that the two carriers had won a restraining order barring Southwest from beginning service. The order was issued by the same Austin judge who issued the original injunction against the TAC decision. The Texas Supreme Court held an emergency session to hear the case, voided the injunction, and forbade the judge from involving himself with Southwest again.

 

[Andy]

SWA buried Braniff??? Wow, I don't think that is even in the "Book of SWA lore"!!

I think AMR's Bob Crandall is turning over in his ... er mansion (he ain't dead yet).

Crandall called up Braniff's CEO Howard Putnam in early 1982 and told Putnam he needed to raise his ticket prices, and AMR would do the same. Putnam recorded the conversation which he turned over to the DOJ. http://www.pricingforprofit.com/pricing-strategy-blog/number-1-no-no-in-pricing.htm

Crandall, in his embarrassment, chose to have AMR request payment for all of the Braniff interline tickets that they had been stockpiling. It was likely a huge hit to Braniff's cash reserves.

 

[waveflyer]

Come on scoreboard, you know that there is a double secret set of regulations that only apply to Southwest while every other airline in the country must comply with a completely onerous set of rules that were enacted solely to give SWA an advantage.

Did you miss that day of ground school?

That day of ground school is only at every OTHER airline's Indoc, not swa's.
At southwest, we don't talk about fight club

 

[dicko]

No SWA has not done any ETOPs runs, has AT ever had two flights get violated for Class II airspace deviations in recent history? careful how you answer...

Last question first - I have no idea. Honestly. If true .... at least we're allowed into WATRS airspace. Still electing to go the long way round because it's better ? Or perhaps it saves fuel ? Hmmm ..... fuel. That reminds me of Hawaii. No idea why

Cheers,

Merry Christmas. Hope it's a good one.

 

[tankerhead]

Well, you just did....and it came from a pretty reasonable, reliable, and rational source.

Even though I think you're wrong, it would seem in this case it would be hard to argue against the "turnabout is fair play " doctrine.

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Agreed. Perhaps my post wasn't dripping with enough sarcasm and derision.

 

[Ty Webb]

Dang, Floppy . . . . you're grasping at seatbelt extenders, dude. . . might be time for a little vacation. :nuts:

 

[SWA Bubba]

Agreed. Perhaps my post wasn't dripping with enough sarcasm and derision.

I thought it dripped sarcasm deliciously. It made me smile.

Bubba

 

[surplus1]

Bubba

P.S. I don't live in Texas.

You sir are a wise man and blessed!

BTW, I like SWA and hope you continue to be successful wherever you go and whereever you choose to do it from. The Deltoids, et al, are just jealous of your success. And, I was just pulling your chain (or trying to).

 

[redflyer65]

Last question first - I have no idea. Honestly. If true .... at least we're allowed into WATRS airspace. Still electing to go the long way round because it's better ? Or perhaps it saves fuel ? Hmmm ..... fuel. That reminds me of Hawaii. No idea why

Cheers,

Merry Christmas. Hope it's a good one.

It's pretty simple Dicko. Can SW go into WATRS airspace right now? Absolutely. We're approved.

The planes we have that are capable are 800's. Those 800's have been found to be waaaaay more profitable to keep them on the long transcons. (ie, BWI-SAN, MDW-LAS, etc) It far outweighs the marginal fuel cost to send a 700 on BWI-SJU non-WATRS. If we outfitted some 700's with rafts, etc then maybe that would change, but for now...that's what they've decided to do.

 

[outerlimits]

I have a question for the SWA pilots


How much ,if any , far international code share are you willing to give Gary Kelly?