SWA or Delta

[Heavy Set]

He'll make more money as a 12th yr SWA 737 captain than any Delta captain (be it 767, 787, or 777).

That won't last. It looks like Delta will be getting more 777s and even 787s, and they are forcasted to be profitable, which means future pay raises. A friend of mine there said they can get up to 6% raises each of the next couple years if they are profitable (pre tax too), and that is very possible. Also, you won't have to fly in a cramped 737 across the nation if you don't want to. At Delta you can ditch the 738 for something bigger if you want. Not at Southwest. You are either doing 5 legs in a smaller 737-300 around California, or doing a transcon in a -700 with no room to stretch. No meals either, except peanuts. My buddy at DL says any flight over 5 1/2 hours now at DL must have first class meals available to both pilots. That covers most transcons from JFK to the West Coast. And remember this too, the reason Southwest pilots got higher pay raises is becuase of the Delta pilots raising the bar. They will get it back eventually.

 

[328dude]

That's assume he get hired today, see an upgrade in 7 years and then another 12 years to be a 12 yrs. captain...AND that delta pay rates will not change...but stay tuned on that point...

Um, what? You do know that you don't go to the bottom of the Captain scale when you upgrade right? Or in other words, Year 1 Captain pay.

 

[Whataburger]

Also, you won't have to fly in a cramped 737 across the nation if you don't want to. quote]

Says the man who flys a Lear.
Heavy you strike me as the corporate manager who flew for a second rate airline, went back to corporate because it was the quick deal, make okay money, hate sucessful airlines and their employees (SWA), and will probably get laid-off in a couple years when your rich owner gets tired of owning a expensive, tiny, litte toy. Look at all your past posts. They are (A) pro delta, or (B) posting bad news about 121 carriers. Don't be mad at us airline folk, we're all pilots doing what we enjoy doing.
PS. I think that not getting first class meals in return for getting to keep 100% of my pay is a pretty good deal. Just one man's opinion.

 

[stooge]

1,2,3 Rule

gotta go southwest

 

[Whataburger]

1,2,3 Rule

gotta go southwest

Finally a sane quote.:beer:

 

[zawillif]

Two weeks ago Delta, United, US Air, Northwest, American and Continental all raised their base fares by $5. Last week they all had to lower the fares back because of one reason: Southwest didn't match it. Southwest is the bane of the airline industry.

Still. . . it would be nice to get paid $200/hr to fly a 737. It just a question of whether your conscience can live with it.

 

[Bullitt]

This has no relevance whatsoever to the argument so I apologize, but Stooge I really dig that avatar .

 

[norskman2]

I hope this isn't a dumba$$ question, but under their contract don't SWA pilots fly more hours per month than DAL?

 

[Heavy Set]

Also, you won't have to fly in a cramped 737 across the nation if you don't want to. quote]

Says the man who flys a Lear.
Heavy you strike me as the corporate manager who flew for a second rate airline, went back to corporate because it was the quick deal, make okay money, hate sucessful airlines and their employees (SWA), and will probably get laid-off in a couple years when your rich owner gets tired of owning a expensive, tiny, litte toy. Look at all your past posts. They are (A) pro delta, or (B) posting bad news about 121 carriers. Don't be mad at us airline folk, we're all pilots doing what we enjoy doing.
PS. I think that not getting first class meals in return for getting to keep 100% of my pay is a pretty good deal. Just one man's opinion.

I flew a 747 for Tower Air before the Lear, thank you. Couldn't help it if the airline went away. Found a couple good corporate gigs, but then this one is a mint. I am paid well to manage and fly, and golf a plenty in Boca Raton. I don't hate Southwest, in fact I have a couple friends there, based in MCO. They like it, most of the time, yet they always talk of wishing they had more options in trips. I also have friends at Delta, and they didn't enjoy the BK stage, but really enjoy their trips. So, I have some experience with regard to my posts. It is odd though that you guys are so defensive about your "perfect" airline. It is humorous watching you all try to combat General Lee, when all he is saying is that not everyone wants to be one of you. You take it personally. And, since when did you become the FI police? I can post anything I want, and I often post in other categories, like LCC, Fractional, etc. My world doesn't revolve around Southwest, thank god. Some of you guys are really stuck on yourselves. Have you ever had a first class meal before? You really don't know what you are missing. I get great meals myself at Rudy's at Teterboro (on the boss, thank you). Enjoy your peanuts.

 

[328dude]

Rudy's? Yummm. Careful, or you won't fit in the Lear for much longer.

 

[Quimby]

I know what I would pick, I can't imagine flying a 737 for the rest of my career...also doing 10 legs a day...no thanks. I would take the DL job and fly the 767, 787, & 777's just my thoughts though.

only 10 legs a day? I heard it was 12 with every other one through LBB.

 

[Speedtape]

O.K., I have job offers from Southwest AND Delta. What a predicament!! For one, I could care less where I'm based; I'll be a commuter for life. Two, Southwest guys aren't reqired to wear hats. I like that a lot about them.

I've done lots of research on both. Seriously, it's gonna be hard to turn down either one of them. I've wanted to be a Delta pilot since I was five years old but times have changed. I never thought I'd ask anyone this question: would you take Southwest over Delta?

If wearing a hat or not is your prospective job criteria, Delta made a mistake! Maybe you should have brought that up in your interview. Take Southwest so a more deserving applicant can take your job at Delta. Windcheck?

 

[Quimby]

Also, you won't have to fly in a cramped 737 across the nation if you don't want to. quote]

Says the man who flys a Lear.



A Lear 45 "jockey" (you said it), calling a 73 cockpit small? What else would you like up there?....room for a couple of beds, maybe a volleyball court......how about a big screen TV? Those Tower 74's must have been the sh*t!:smash:

 

[Whataburger]

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Have you ever had a first class meal before? You really don't know what you are missing. I get great meals myself at Rudy's at Teterboro (on the boss, thank you). Enjoy your peanuts.

Had plenty of first class meals as a pilot and as a non-rev passenger flying for free and eating for three. Domestic meals suck. They are nothing but expensive microwave meals. HungryMan anyone? Now, BA is a different story. International USair is decent. Free A330 seat, free booze for 6 hours, wine, cheese, hot cressants while the sun is comming up, and of course 100yr old flight attendants. Your buddies like to brag about their free food, but I dont have any problems running to Starbucks and grabbing a snack somewhere.
PS. Do you come to the Regionals board to brag about you 747 so that someone might care??

 

[Heavy Set]

Had plenty of first class meals as a pilot and as a non-rev passenger flying for free and eating for three. Domestic meals suck. They are nothing but expensive microwave meals. HungryMan anyone? Now, BA is a different story. International USair is decent. Free A330 seat, free booze for 6 hours, wine, cheese, hot cressants while the sun is comming up, and of course 100yr old flight attendants. Your buddies like to brag about their free food, but I dont have any problems running to Starbucks and grabbing a snack somewhere.
PS. Do you come to the Regionals board to brag about you 747 so that someone might care??

No, you are the one who questioned me about what I have flown. I did enjoy my past flying, and I really enjoy my current flying. This thread contained a question from a person choosing between Southwest and Delta and asking for advice. I gave mine. I hope those memories of first class treatment remain in your mind for years to come.

 

[Jetsetter]

If you choose SWA based on 123, I think you should consider checking into one of those clinics......having to choose between Delta and SWA is not a bad situation to be in, as was said in a previous post, sit down with your family and discuss all of the pros and cons to both, then sit back and enjoy your career.

 

[Whataburger]

I hope those memories of first class treatment remain in your mind for years to come.

They will. Primarily BA tip of the nose of a 747. American lay-down seats in a 777. And, finally, reading the first class brochure on Gulf Air explaining how to face Mecca properly during the flight. Curry anyone?

And to answer the question posted on this thread. Go where ya want. Get two pieces of paper and draw a line right down the middle. Title one "SWA" and the other "DAL" and make a pro/con list. Pick the one that works best for YOU. Do you prefer ATL or PHX, only 737(for now) or multiple plane choices, 35 years of history or 80, have furloughed or havent furloughed, hedges that are running out or no hedges, zebra with the General or "The Big Texan" 72oz steak in AMA, and it goes on and on and on. Good luck with your decision. Barring another 911, either will be a good choice. However, if you dont mind running for you food during quick turns, getting your shirt dirty and flying steam guages, I'd consider us. One reason - we are treated like gold and our mgmt honestly has our desires and feelings in mind.

 

[Heavy Set]

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They will. Primarily BA tip of the nose of a 747. American lay-down seats in a 777. And, finally, reading the first class brochure on Gulf Air explaining how to face Mecca properly during the flight. Curry anyone?

I think Delta is starting service to Dubai shortly nonstop from ATL, so if the guy chose Delta he could maybe have that same experience?

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Hmm...While driving home from work I get the urge to go Poo really bad. I have to decide between stopping at a gas station, or keep driving for 10 minutes and hope the gasket doesn't give out (and I'm wearing black underwear, so that helps...). Should I stop, or should I keep driving?
I just don't understand how people who are faced with potentially life-altering decisions come on to public web sites to get their answers. If you don't know enough about either Delta or SWA to make up your own mind, then you probably shouldn't have been offered the job in the first place. You obviously know enough, (or are female), so buck up and make your OWN decision based on what YOU know and what YOU want.

 

[av8tor4239]

please go to southwest so there will be one more open slot for me at Delta

 

[Heavy Set]

These won't be going to Midland Odessa

Delta likely to order 787s this year, says CEO

By Dominic Gates
Seattle Times aerospace reporter


Delta Air Lines will likely be the first of the big three U.S. legacy airlines to order Boeing's 787, chief executive Gerald Grinstein said Friday in Seattle.
The 74-year-old Grinstein, set to leave Delta this summer after guiding it through Chapter 11, said his successor will make any order decision — but he'd be surprised if the carrier doesn't buy its first Dreamliners by the end of the year.
In the last year Delta added more than 60 new international routes, which typically require long-range widebody jets.
Delta flies more than 100 mid-size 767 jets. Grinstein, in town for the Microsoft CEO summit, said in a brief interview that those planes need to be replaced starting as early as 2011.
"Of course, you could wait for the (Airbus) A350," he said, "But why?"
The new Boeing jet is "perfect" for the needs of the U.S. carriers, with the right size and the necessary range, he said. The bigger A350 rival that Airbus is proposing could be too big for many of the routes Delta wants to fly, Grinstein said.
"Boeing has got it right," he said.
Grinstein said he is not worried about the availability of delivery slots for the 787, because Boeing can always "miraculously" find slots when it needs them for a big order. The company does that either through keeping some delivery slots available for significant customers or by arranging for other airlines to defer their orders until later.
Delta, headquartered in Atlanta, Ga., came out of bankruptcy April 30 after a 19-month restructuring that cut 6,000 jobs and slashed debt. The carrier projects $8 billion per year in cost and revenue improvements.
Grinstein grew up in Seattle, studied law at Harvard and later worked for Washington's powerful former U.S. Senator Warren Magnuson.
He launched a business career in the mid-1980s, heading Western Airlines, based in Salt Lake City, Utah. When Delta acquired Western in 1987, he joined the board of the larger airline.
He then led the Burlington Northern railroad company and oversaw its acquisition of Santa Fe Pacific. He retired in 1995, but was persuaded in January 2004 to take over as Delta's CEO to steer it through its financial crisis.
From this summer, he'll be back living in Seattle.
Dominic Gates: 206-464-2963 or [email protected]

 

[328dude]

Hmm, interesting article. Hoping to raise the stock price there Grinstein?

 

[Heavy Set]

Hmm, interesting article. Hoping to raise the stock price there Grinstein?

So, a reporter can't interview Grinstein, and Grinstein doesn't have an opinion?

 

[mdanno808]

Take a step back from the keyboard, and stop with the my airline is sooooo much better than your airline crap. Both airlines have their positives and negatives. If you like the sound of flying a 737 domestically for the rest of your career then choose SWA. If international, widebody experience is something you are interested in, go with Delta. Who knows what the future holds anyway. Either way it's more than likely you'll be kicking yourself 5 years down the road no matter what you decide.

Some of you guys take this $hit way too personally. Chances are not everyone in the world wants to work for your airline (although I do, and am looking for LOR's, check your PM's)

 

[Richard Gozinya]

I was in your situation and chose Delta for the same reasons that you want to go to Delta.....BTW I am very happy with my choice. I have not had a second thought.

I don't remember you saying anything about getting offered the job @ SWA.

Dick

 

[Prop2Jet]

Hey Princeton you at 39N?

 

[SkyBoy1981]

You're asking the wrong people. Don't disappoint the 5-year-old still inside you. Follow your heart.

I agree 100%.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

NWA announced their order for 787s something like 6-12 months ago.

cliff
YIP

 

[TonkaF16]

This has no relevance whatsoever to the argument so I apologize, but Stooge I really dig that avatar .

2nd that notion!!!!!!!!!

 

[SkyBoy1981]

This has no relevance whatsoever to the argument so I apologize, but Stooge I really dig that avatar .

It looks like someone photoshopped Angelina Jolie's chest into a pic of a 15 year old girl.