SWA Makes emergency landing in Yuma AZ

[BILL LUMBERG]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...RTED?SITE=MIDTN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Way to go Boeing!!!!

Gee.....why smear our largest 737 customer? Just let us take the hit so they will buy some more.....

It's just biz as usual in the Luv shack

 

[The Prussian]

Way to go Boeing!!!!

Gee.....why smear our largest 737 customer? Just let us take the hit so they will buy some more.....

It's just biz as usual in the Luv shack

LUMBERG...you need to cool your jets, til more info comes out. Seems that that particular area had not been sanctioned for closer inspection until now.

 

[airplane wizard]

Are you guys really not smart enough to realize this was a flaw in the Boeing production line? There are a certain number of planes that were skinned 'slightly' different than the ones prior to them and after them.

The AD coming out shortly will affect more than just the Southwest jets, but Southwest had the majority of the faulty planes.

Anything more than the facts is just flame bait.

Did Boeing just make a design change, or did SWA want the price of their batch of 733's lower so they asked for the design change?

 

[The Prussian]

Oh,.. brother!!

 

[CorpCaptain]

This back and forth is ridiculous. The crew safely got the plane on the ground. And you wonder why the race to the bottom is so fast. Zero unity when it comes to our occupation. Kudos to the crew and to those that bite their collective tongues with irresponsible comments.

 

[carl p]

...and geez, you guys are still bashing SWA on this. Pretty much every airline has had similar issues. AK with the Jack screw deal, DAL had all kinds of issues in the 90's, AirTran/ValueJet, AMR with the MD 80's before that DC-10 issues. Hawaiian made 60 minutes back in the 80's. Even Qantas is getting hammered in the press in Australia, etc etc. It happens, none of us are immune and none of us are perfect.

Exactly. Until I see something in writing blaming SWA I'm not going to rush to judgement. The crew did a great job, kudos to them. I've put my family on SWA for many years and will continue to do so, they are a great airline.

A friend of mine owns a heavy repair station and he's told me that the 737 skin is not as thick as was the 727 (in addition to the bonding issues). Apparently this was done in an effort to save weight. I'm not a mechanic and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night so take it for what its worth

 

[booo]

newest in on reason newspeople "report the darndest thing":

When asking about the more frequent cycles on SWA 73's, NBC just called SWA's type of flying as "shorthaul, commuter" flying.

nice

'Southwest's jet was 15 years old and had logged 39,000 pressurization cycles, a measurement of the number of takeoffs and landings. That's 7.2 cycles every day for every year it has been in service."

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Looks like the dynamics of the Airtran/swa merger have changed. Since sw has over 75 of the older/wornout 300s the NGs/717s are going to be much more important to the merged airline. Advantage Airtran. If this makes it to arbitration this will be used, guaranteed. The junior swa pilots better hope that their merger comm. gets more rational and recognizes that a negotiated list is best.

 

[GuppyWN]

Could any of those actions KILL SOMEONE??

Shall I Continue? or will your airline just do responsible maintenance?

Delta has killed 700 customers in the time SWA has been in existence.

You're up.

Gup

 

[GuppyWN]

Looks like the dynamics of the Airtran/swa merger have changed. Since sw has over 75 of the older/wornout 300s the NGs/717s are going to be much more important to the merged airline. Advantage Airtran. If this makes it to arbitration this will be used, guaranteed. The junior swa pilots better hope that their merger comm. gets more rational and recognizes that a negotiated list is best.

Looks like the FAA is issuing an inspection process that will be followed until the A/C are retired by some of the 200 A/C we already have on order.

The arbitrator won't have an issue to use.

Gup

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Number five.....

hmmm.....all Southwest......

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

700? eh Gup?

Well, you can always supply numbers on FI but making them truthful is a whole other story.....

Lessee....Dallas L1011 200+, Dallas 727...13, Pcola MD-88....1......

Fuzzy math Gup.....

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

This back and forth is ridiculous. The crew safely got the plane on the ground. And you wonder why the race to the bottom is so fast. Zero unity when it comes to our occupation. Kudos to the crew and to those that bite their collective tongues with irresponsible comments.

Crew did a Super job......no Question!

Does the Maintenance Management do theirs? That's THE question...

Nothing irresponsible about asking it.....

 

[Amish RakeFight]

700? eh Gup?

Well, you can always supply numbers on FI but making them truthful is a whole other story.....

Lessee....Dallas L1011 200+, Dallas 727...13, Pcola MD-88....1......

Fuzzy math Gup.....

He's probably lumping in LEX and other partners to up his total.

 

[GuppyWN]

No, actually I can't add. The formatting of the columns I was using threw me off. I was indeed off by several hundred but none the less the number is 100's fold more than SWA with MANY more total events.

My bad.

Gup

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Ok gup....

I hear ya......point taken

 

[Lear70]

To the person who reported one of the posts in here, I don't see it as a ToS violation, but since it *DID* start a SWA/AAI discussion, I'm not going to moderate it one way or another, although I'd be tempted to remove it simply because it's not germaine to the discussion of the 737 hull problems.

CLR or OWW will have to decide. Just wanted you to know we weren't ignoring you, just feel like I can't moderate it now that it's turned in an SLI direction.

/mod

 

[GuppyWN]

To the person who reported one of the posts in here, I don't see it as a ToS violation, but since it *DID* start a SWA/AAI discussion, I'm not going to moderate it one way or another, although I'd be tempted to remove it simply because it's not germaine to the discussion of the 737 hull problems.

CLR or OWW will have to decide. Just wanted you to know we weren't ignoring you, just feel like I can't moderate it now that it's turned in an SLI direction.

/mod

Thanks Lear. Or the tattle tail could man up and PM one of us or just air it out like Bill and I do! We have a spat a couple times a year, call each other scumbags and move on.

Right Bill?

Back on topic... looks like the NTSB has stated that the sin cracks could not have been found without Eddy Current testing - which was not required or even recommended.

Now that 737 operators know what to look for I'm sure the likelihood of this happening again are slim.

Gup

 

[B727Driver]

From the NYT Business Day:

A Boeing engineer said Tuesday that the company had projected a longer lifespan for the skin and the supporting joints of its older 737 jetliners and was surprised that serious cracks developed on one Southwest Airlines plane last Friday.
Richter, a chief engineer for the older Boeing 737 models, said the plane maker had expected the parts to last 60,000 cycles of takeoffs and landings before cracks might form, while the jet that developed the hole on Friday had only 39,000 cycles. Southwest had done nothing wrong in maintaining the plane, Mr. Richter said.

Maybe it is a Boeing thing.

 

[waveflyer]

Right Gup-
It's amazing how many on here run to the mods- seriously ... Be grown ups a d work it out--