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I don't post too much on here, I just like a good laugh. But I do have to say to General Lee, who usually gives me a good laugh because I don't think he/she is all that bright....why is it ALWAYS Southwest that you pick on? When I see that, I automatlcally think "jealousy." I don't fly for Southwest, but I do know they are a great airline with great management. I would take that, no matter what the layovers are, any day over working at most other airlines right now. I have a family to support and bills to pay. Just because an airline doesn't fly to Rio or Paris, doesn't make that airline a crap airline. It does mean that the pilots at that airline (Southwest) are making enough money, that on their 16-20 days off, they can take a trip, on their own, over to Rio or Paris, jumpseating on Delta. By the way, don't forget that Delta has more than a few 737's. And don't forget where you came from. I can't believe what this industry has come to. We all do the same thing. We fly airplanes. Yet, we can sit on this board and bad mouth other pilots and think nothing of it-just because we work for different companies. Guess what....we are all in the same boat. Any one of us can end up on the street. Even gen. lee.

Wow, I don't know whether to laugh or cry? Ahhh, I'll just laugh at this one. Yeah, you sure can go down to Rio or Paris jumpseating on us. I never see that though. You make it seem like you guys make sooooo much more than our pilots, and it just isn't the case. Yes, you have great pay, but not what our guys "had" in the good days before BK (not created by pilot salaries, btw). Yes, Delta has 737s, and we have several options when it comes to flying, which is nice for us. Our pay is fairly good, and we can make more by upgrading or transitioning to larger aircraft. As far as doing the same thing, we were hired at different airlines with different missions. Yes, we both fly planes, but we were hired knowing what type of flying was offered. If you like yours, great. Sure, we could all end up on the street, no doubt there. My point was that some of your pilots get livid when someone who doesn't fly for SWA doesn't actually want to. Delta isn't all about INTL flying, since you can easily bid domestic and do a variety of planes and trip types, and that isn't what SWA guys on here state. Have a great one.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Good point. To each his own and I agree with you on that one. Anyways, good work on that "United Plus" contract several years ago. How's that working out? I still see "Delta" jets all over the place, although they look kind of small, much like your.....

Well, I am still happy that we are "United Plus", and hope that never changes. We did just get a joint contract done with NWA, which will give us a 17% raise over the next 4 years, and equity and profit sharing. As far as what happened after our BK, we were all given equity in exchange for those concessions, and I got about $240,000 (for going BK), which filled my 401K for 2006 and 2007, and then the rest was taxed normally. Not too bad. And, if you are seeing smaller Delta jets, you haven't been at our hubs lately. RJs are leaving quick, and we have started flying more 777s. We did just receive our current "smallest" mainline plane though, new 737-700s. We have 4 or 5 new ones now, and they will goto very interesting destinations like Manaus, Brazil on trips. Sounds fun, eh? Other places the new -700s currently go are Bermuda, Liberia, Costa Rica, and will start Tegucigalpa, Hondouras and Cuzco, Peru (rumor for that one) Have a great one.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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the funny thing is, back in the day (about 10.000 Gen Lee posts ago), he was fairly objective on his posts. Sometime between '03 and the present the Gen got real offensive about SWA...
Wonder what that's all about?


I still try to be objective, but somewhere back then I was confronted with a barage of incredible ego, right around our BK. I would NEVER start an argument with an airline or it's employees I respect, but was ticked off by someone apparently. The ribbing must have become more intense, and bad feelings followed. Most of the slams about ELP are followed with I still like your pay, stews, etc. Hey, we are different airlines, with different missions, and you enjoy yours. Great.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Age 65 does not affect me in any way whatsoever. We already have people who are flying in their 70s although that is probably not the route that I will take. As for my captain making less than copilot pay, that came direct from an ER pilot who sat on my jumpseat when I flew for a regional. Enjoy your hotel.


Great, you fly for a fractional. No age limits there. And, I do enjoy the hotels, and the surrounding areas. Luckily I have the seniority to bid for variety.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Wow, I don't know whether to laugh or cry? Ahhh, I'll just laugh at this one. Yeah, you sure can go down to Rio or Paris jumpseating on us. I never see that though. You make it seem like you guys make sooooo much more than our pilots, and it just isn't the case. Yes, you have great pay, but not what our guys "had" in the good days before BK (not created by pilot salaries, btw). Yes, Delta has 737s, and we have several options when it comes to flying, which is nice for us. Our pay is fairly good, and we can make more by upgrading or transitioning to larger aircraft. As far as doing the same thing, we were hired at different airlines with different missions. Yes, we both fly planes, but we were hired knowing what type of flying was offered. If you like yours, great. Sure, we could all end up on the street, no doubt there. My point was that some of your pilots get livid when someone who doesn't fly for SWA doesn't actually want to. Delta isn't all about INTL flying, since you can easily bid domestic and do a variety of planes and trip types, and that isn't what SWA guys on here state. Have a great one.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Ummm, like I stated in my original post, I don't work for Southwest.
 
the two most posted things on FI

1. G.L. spouting about flying to Europe, his "choices" & great hotels, slamming SWA, but then dropping a quick "but I like your stews" comment to make him look better.....oh and ending with "That's FANTASTIC"

2. "mesa sucks"

next...
 
The Gerbil's most said thing on those Rio overnights:

1. Do I have to pay by the hour or can I pay by the minute?

2. Will you hang out with me and pretend you are my girlfriend.

3. How come the crew won't come downstairs and hang out with me?

4. I wish my mom would quit asking me to move out of the basement.
 
the two most posted things on FI

1. G.L. spouting about flying to Europe, his "choices" & great hotels, slamming SWA, but then dropping a quick "but I like your stews" comment to make him look better.....oh and ending with "That's FANTASTIC"

2. "mesa sucks"

next...

3. This message is hidden because Tanker Clown is on your ignore list.
 
the two most posted things on FI

1. G.L. spouting about flying to Europe, his "choices" & great hotels, slamming SWA, but then dropping a quick "but I like your stews" comment to make him look better.....oh and ending with "That's FANTASTIC"

2. "mesa sucks"

next...

Wow! That was funny and FANTASTIC. How about anything to do with Lubbock? Anyone who flies in there now will think of me. FRICKEN FANTASTIC!

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Now back to the thread. Folks this is some serious money. I wonder if SWA is going to start rethinking its “no fees strategy?”
AA767AV8TOR

Southwest Airlines says fuel-hedging contracts lost $2 billion in value in October
08:41 AM CDT on Tuesday, October 21, 2008

By TERRY MAXON [email protected]

Southwest Airlines Co. said Monday the value of its fuel-hedging contracts dropped by nearly $2 billion during the first 15 days of October as their worth followed the sharp decline in jet fuel prices.

In a quarterly financial report to the Securities and Exchange Commission, Southwest said the "fair value" of those investments fell from $2.5 billion on Sept. 30 to $550 million as of Oct. 15.

It's too early to predict how the drop in the contracts' value might affect Southwest's fourth-quarter earnings, but chairman and chief executive Gary Kelly underlined last week that falling energy prices help Southwest a lot more than they hurt the carrier.

"Actually, falling prices are a great opportunity for us and certainly not a problem," he told analysts on a conference call to discuss Southwest's third-quarter earnings.

Southwest has benefited for years from fuel hedging that shielded it somewhat from rising jet fuel prices, while most competitors lacked hedges, had hedges at much higher prices or hadn't invested enough to make much difference on their costs.

Last Thursday, Southwest reported a net loss of $120 million in the third quarter, its first quarterly loss since first quarter 1991 and the biggest quarterly loss in its history.

The airline made money on an operating basis, but it was pushed into the red by $238 million in accounting charges that reflected the decreased value of the fuel derivative contracts and other hedging impacts.

In its SEC filing, Southwest said the value of its "fuel derivative contracts" dropped from $5.1 billion on June 30 to $2.5 billion on Sept. 30.

The numbers included a $448 million hedging gain that the airline received in cash settlements.
Several other carriers have reported accounting losses from hedges recently as energy prices dropped sharply. Crude oil has fallen from a high of over $147 a barrel in July to Monday's close around $75.

UAL Corp., parent of United Airlines Inc., reported a third quarter loss of $779 million today, including $519 million in non-cash losses from the decline in value of its fuel hedges in the quarter.

“At the end of the quarter, the fair value of the outstanding fuel hedge contracts was negative $230 million,” UAL told investors in a press release.
 
Maybe they should look to the wonderful business model of AA. How many on here slammed Skybus for doing the exact thing everyone is soooo proud about now? What a bunch of hypocrites. I think you need to read the article again to gain some understanding.
 
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That money is still not "real" money. The fact is SWA is hedged 70-80% at $51 bbl. What is the price today? 70 something. SWA is in the black. What don't you understand?
 
This is all public knowledge. The facts are straight out of their quarterly report.

we have derivative contracts in place for nearly 85 percent of our fourth quarter 2008 estimated fuel consumption at an average crude-equivalent price of approximately $62 per barrel (compared to approximately 90 percent at approximately $51 per barrel for fourth quarter 2007).

we have derivative contracts for over 75 percent of our estimated 2009 fuel consumption at an average crude-equivalent price of approximately $73 per barrel; approximately 50 percent of our estimated 2010 fuel consumption at an average crude-equivalent price of approximately $90 per barrel; approximately 40 percent of our estimated 2011 fuel consumption at an average crude-equivalent price of approximately $93 per barrel; over 35 percent of our estimated 2012 fuel consumption at an average crude-equivalent price of approximately $90 per barrel; and have begun building a modest position for 2013.
 
Don't listen to economists. They're wrong 50% of the time. What if you were wrong at your job 50% of the time?
And "Every" economist? Not true. But if youthink so, buy oil stocks.

Every economist has said that oil will rise back into the mid to high $100 range within the next 5 years. This global economic downturn depressing the prices is temporary, the growing demand versus crude production problem is not. Economies will recover, and crude prices will rise again.

If this rumor about SWA is true, it makes good business sense. Sounds like the other carriers are just jealous that they don't have the cash or leverage to join in.
 
Now back to the thread. Folks this is some serious money. I wonder if SWA is going to start rethinking its “no fees strategy?”
AA767AV8TOR

They should follow the lead of the legacy carriers...those guys know how to run a successful airline...
 

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