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Yeah your Captains are now making less than your FOs used to (and you gave away scope.....again) but at least you have the important stuff left.

I just don't think that is accurate. One thing is for sure though, thanks to your senior guys (who got all of the stock options) pushing for Age 65, a lot of you won't get that Captain pay check for awhile. Hey, we just got a 17% raise over the next 4 years. Maybe we will catch up to you someday. I hope so. In the meantime, enjoy ELP.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I hope NWA gets DOH.

Gup

Very very unlikely (no airline has gotten a true DOH, especially 2 ALPA carriers). And, if we get close to what Dalpa proposed (which was relative seniority after the bottom 400 are all NWA due to planes leaving the fleet), I will do very well. Not a windfall, but really well.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Two things....first the General has never told us how much open time he has picked up while his bretheren were on the street!!! Second, I am sure the prices will skyrocket again when the tensions in the Middle East rise again.

I don't remember picking up a greenslip while our guys were furloughed, but I have picked up a lot since they got back. Lots of green. And, if tensions rise in the Middle East again, I think we will be ready. Remember, if prices go up, and gas goes up, domestic loads fall because middle income passengers (your staple) tend to stay home and not travel as much. You don't want that.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Hmmm, interesting thoughts. First, if DAL is staying in nice hotels for SECURITY reasons then I guess you can't get out much, eh ?? Which, of course, means your concessionary dollars don't buy you as much -- especially in overseas places where the dollar isn't so strong (read most everywhere). But hey, you're INTL where most people dislike Americans !! And that last little bit - it just makes me laugh ....:D

Really? You're a DC10 Capt and stay in krappy INTL hotels? That suks. We do stay at great hotels all over the world, but we also know where to go for dinners etc, and what is safe. But, some places have resorts that are wonderful on their own, like Rio. Great pool, great scenery. Kinda like Amarillo, except different. Do you fly for Omni? Fedex? Who else flies DC10s?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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Genital Lee. If life is so good at DAL, why are you so concerned about what others are doing?
 
Genital Lee. If life is so good at DAL, why are you so concerned about what others are doing?


Well, Cobra Kai, I enjoy this whole industry, and I have plenty of opinions, which is still allowed. My first comment on this thread wasn't meant as a slam, but Southwest guys have bigger egos than I do. They are SHOCKED when someone says "hey, I don't want to fly a corndog." I have always praised them on certain things (like pay, stews, management for now, etc), but when I say something like "I don't want to fly a 737 forever with multiple leg days and 25 minute turns"---they go postal. They can't believe that someone doesn't want to do what they do. It amuses me to no end. But, if they enjoy legs from LAS to AMA, then good for them. Someone has to provide that service. If they didn't, Allegiant might.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
I don't post too much on here, I just like a good laugh. But I do have to say to General Lee, who usually gives me a good laugh because I don't think he/she is all that bright....why is it ALWAYS Southwest that you pick on? When I see that, I automatlcally think "jealousy." I don't fly for Southwest, but I do know they are a great airline with great management. I would take that, no matter what the layovers are, any day over working at most other airlines right now. I have a family to support and bills to pay. Just because an airline doesn't fly to Rio or Paris, doesn't make that airline a crap airline. It does mean that the pilots at that airline (Southwest) are making enough money, that on their 16-20 days off, they can take a trip, on their own, over to Rio or Paris, jumpseating on Delta. By the way, don't forget that Delta has more than a few 737's. And don't forget where you came from. I can't believe what this industry has come to. We all do the same thing. We fly airplanes. Yet, we can sit on this board and bad mouth other pilots and think nothing of it-just because we work for different companies. Guess what....we are all in the same boat. Any one of us can end up on the street. Even gen. lee.
 
the funny thing is, back in the day (about 10.000 Gen Lee posts ago), he was fairly objective on his posts. Sometime between '03 and the present the Gen got real offensive about SWA...
Wonder what that's all about?
 
Well, Cobra Kai, I enjoy this whole industry, and I have plenty of opinions, which is still allowed. My first comment on this thread wasn't meant as a slam, but Southwest guys have bigger egos than I do. They are SHOCKED when someone says "hey, I don't want to fly a corndog." I have always praised them on certain things (like pay, stews, management for now, etc), but when I say something like "I don't want to fly a 737 forever with multiple leg days and 25 minute turns"---they go postal. They can't believe that someone doesn't want to do what they do. It amuses me to no end. But, if they enjoy legs from LAS to AMA, then good for them. Someone has to provide that service. If they didn't, Allegiant might.


Bye Bye---General Lee


Good point. To each his own and I agree with you on that one. Anyways, good work on that "United Plus" contract several years ago. How's that working out? I still see "Delta" jets all over the place, although they look kind of small, much like your.....
 
I just don't think that is accurate. One thing is for sure though, thanks to your senior guys (who got all of the stock options) pushing for Age 65, a lot of you won't get that Captain pay check for awhile. Hey, we just got a 17% raise over the next 4 years. Maybe we will catch up to you someday. I hope so. In the meantime, enjoy ELP.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Age 65 does not affect me in any way whatsoever. We already have people who are flying in their 70s although that is probably not the route that I will take. As for my captain making less than copilot pay, that came direct from an ER pilot who sat on my jumpseat when I flew for a regional. Enjoy your hotel.
 
I don't post too much on here, I just like a good laugh. But I do have to say to General Lee, who usually gives me a good laugh because I don't think he/she is all that bright....why is it ALWAYS Southwest that you pick on? When I see that, I automatlcally think "jealousy." I don't fly for Southwest, but I do know they are a great airline with great management. I would take that, no matter what the layovers are, any day over working at most other airlines right now. I have a family to support and bills to pay. Just because an airline doesn't fly to Rio or Paris, doesn't make that airline a crap airline. It does mean that the pilots at that airline (Southwest) are making enough money, that on their 16-20 days off, they can take a trip, on their own, over to Rio or Paris, jumpseating on Delta. By the way, don't forget that Delta has more than a few 737's. And don't forget where you came from. I can't believe what this industry has come to. We all do the same thing. We fly airplanes. Yet, we can sit on this board and bad mouth other pilots and think nothing of it-just because we work for different companies. Guess what....we are all in the same boat. Any one of us can end up on the street. Even gen. lee.

Wow, I don't know whether to laugh or cry? Ahhh, I'll just laugh at this one. Yeah, you sure can go down to Rio or Paris jumpseating on us. I never see that though. You make it seem like you guys make sooooo much more than our pilots, and it just isn't the case. Yes, you have great pay, but not what our guys "had" in the good days before BK (not created by pilot salaries, btw). Yes, Delta has 737s, and we have several options when it comes to flying, which is nice for us. Our pay is fairly good, and we can make more by upgrading or transitioning to larger aircraft. As far as doing the same thing, we were hired at different airlines with different missions. Yes, we both fly planes, but we were hired knowing what type of flying was offered. If you like yours, great. Sure, we could all end up on the street, no doubt there. My point was that some of your pilots get livid when someone who doesn't fly for SWA doesn't actually want to. Delta isn't all about INTL flying, since you can easily bid domestic and do a variety of planes and trip types, and that isn't what SWA guys on here state. Have a great one.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Good point. To each his own and I agree with you on that one. Anyways, good work on that "United Plus" contract several years ago. How's that working out? I still see "Delta" jets all over the place, although they look kind of small, much like your.....

Well, I am still happy that we are "United Plus", and hope that never changes. We did just get a joint contract done with NWA, which will give us a 17% raise over the next 4 years, and equity and profit sharing. As far as what happened after our BK, we were all given equity in exchange for those concessions, and I got about $240,000 (for going BK), which filled my 401K for 2006 and 2007, and then the rest was taxed normally. Not too bad. And, if you are seeing smaller Delta jets, you haven't been at our hubs lately. RJs are leaving quick, and we have started flying more 777s. We did just receive our current "smallest" mainline plane though, new 737-700s. We have 4 or 5 new ones now, and they will goto very interesting destinations like Manaus, Brazil on trips. Sounds fun, eh? Other places the new -700s currently go are Bermuda, Liberia, Costa Rica, and will start Tegucigalpa, Hondouras and Cuzco, Peru (rumor for that one) Have a great one.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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the funny thing is, back in the day (about 10.000 Gen Lee posts ago), he was fairly objective on his posts. Sometime between '03 and the present the Gen got real offensive about SWA...
Wonder what that's all about?


I still try to be objective, but somewhere back then I was confronted with a barage of incredible ego, right around our BK. I would NEVER start an argument with an airline or it's employees I respect, but was ticked off by someone apparently. The ribbing must have become more intense, and bad feelings followed. Most of the slams about ELP are followed with I still like your pay, stews, etc. Hey, we are different airlines, with different missions, and you enjoy yours. Great.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Age 65 does not affect me in any way whatsoever. We already have people who are flying in their 70s although that is probably not the route that I will take. As for my captain making less than copilot pay, that came direct from an ER pilot who sat on my jumpseat when I flew for a regional. Enjoy your hotel.


Great, you fly for a fractional. No age limits there. And, I do enjoy the hotels, and the surrounding areas. Luckily I have the seniority to bid for variety.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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