SWA emergency in PHX Monday @ 10:20

[Dr. Rumack]

Fox and CNN were not there with their cameras yesterday. I assume the SWA jet had a hydraulic failure that resulted in loss of NWS and needed a tow to the gate afer landing. Seemed like another example of why we do not get paid enough which was treated like another day at the office by the crew and fire dept. Anyone know what happened?

 

[Bringupthebird]

How did they get the tow truck up to 80 knots?

 

[say again]

How did they get the tow truck up to 80 knots?

Huh??? Am I missing something??

I had the same problem in the DoJet. Uneventful. Stopped the plane but couldn't turn it. No biggie.

 

[SSDD]

Huh??? Am I missing something??

Yeah! You know how people are always ragging on SWA for taxiing too fast...

 

[Tejas-Jet]

MAny years ago ( in a -200) we lost the "A" system..I was surprised at how quickly we got towed off the runway to the gate...

Equally surprised at how quickly the mechanics got us going again...something like 20 minutes or so

 

[DOVPILOT]

Equally surprised at how quickly the mechanics got us going again...something like 20 minutes or so

I know your guys must work for those NASCAR boys on the weekends...:laugh:

 

[say again]

Huh??? Am I missing something??

Yeah! You know how people are always ragging on SWA for taxiing too fast...

Aha, now i get it. A little slow today.

 

[PSL]

Dr. Rumack:

Your assumptions are incorrect ...

I know the captain well ...

I suggest you wait until the facts are made public ...

My bet is you will find the crew acted IAW the FOM/QRH and in a most professional manner.

 

[Flyiguy]

Dr. Rumack:

Your assumptions are incorrect ...

I know the captain well ...

I suggest you wait until the facts are made public ...

My bet is you will find the crew acted IAW the FOM/QRH and in a most professional manner.

Whoa, settle down big fella and take another look at his post.

 

[jonjuan]

No kidding-must be a pro 60+ CA who gets defensive about everything.

 

[Dogwood]

Fox and CNN were not there with their cameras yesterday. I assume the SWA jet had a hydraulic failure that resulted in loss of NWS and needed a tow to the gate afer landing. Seemed like another example of why we do not get paid enough which was treated like another day at the office by the crew and fire dept. Anyone know what happened?

Same thing happened to me in EWR a couple weeks ago in a 320. I think we closed 4L for at least :30 mins.

Sorry guys (Dual BSCU Failure)

 

[Dr. Rumack]

PSL,
Relax my man. If you think I am incorrect in assuming that we do not get paid enough for what we do for a living then you clearly have not seen the AWA pay scales. You might think you get paid enough but, if you do, then I think you undervalue your skills. My only assumption to the cause was that it was hydraulic related. Since I do not like to assume I thought I would ask the question and get the actual truth. Please feel free to re-read my original post. My point was that to the crew and the fire crew this emergency was just another day at the office. IE, handled like professionals. You can check out my other posts as well and you will find I do not bash on any other airline. If you know the nature of the emergency and it is of a positive nature I would like to hear what happened.

 

[AWACoff]

I know your guys must work for those NASCAR boys on the weekends...:laugh:

Oh please! Why would they fix it when they can just have their POI "approve" a non-maintenance fix

 

[PSL]

No I am not a 60+ year old captain ... I am a captain who staunchly supports the FOs efforts to amend the payscales to reflect their increased upgrade times.

I am not upset or otherwise irritated ... I have many faults; but emotional v logical responses are not one of them.

I made a factual statement ... your assumptions are incorrect ... they are. I have first hand knowledge of the event from the person who signed for the aircraft.

I made no representation that you or anyone else was not worthy of the compensation you received; someone made that emotional leap. I have been in FAR121 OPS for over 20+ yrs so I understand with perfect clarity how far our profession has fallen in terms of compensation and quality of life.

I said ... the crew acted IAW with the FOM/QRH and in a most professional manner.

In deference to the crew, I will wait until the board of inquiry is complete before I share what happened but what I can tell you is the situation would make a 'great' LOFT scenario for upgrading captains.

I took no offense to your post and unfortunately for me; my economy of words in my first post was taken as a terse reply. For that; my apologies.

 

[DX Jake]

forgive the lowly dispatcher....

PHX to standiford flight returned due to wheel well fire indication that was false. Overweight landing. Hot brakes. Towed to gate. All safe.

you may now resume your arguing.

 

[PropPiedmont]

forgive the lowly dispatcher....

PHX to standiford flight returned due to wheel well fire indication that was false. Overweight landing. Hot brakes. Towed to gate. All safe.

you may now resume your arguing.

But, why can't we turn this into something bigger than it was? You know, like the media does.

 

[Captzaahlie]

forgive the lowly dispatcher....

PHX to standiford flight returned due to wheel well fire indication that was false. Overweight landing. Hot brakes. Towed to gate. All safe.

you may now resume your arguing.

Hey DX, pls check your pm's.... thx!

 

[Captzaahlie]

But, why can't we turn this into something bigger than it was? You know, like the media does.

Good point PDTPROP,

I guess the shows over....

Thanks DX!

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Same thing happened to me in EWR a couple weeks ago in a 320. I think we closed 4L for at least :30 mins.

Sorry guys (Dual BSCU Failure)

Off topic, but just something I've forgot to ask. What is going on an A320, I'm assuming hydraulic, usually just prior to pushback?

It sounds like a fat woman walking in corduroy pants.

 

[Captzaahlie]

Off topic, but just something I've forgot to ask. What is going on an A320, I'm assuming hydraulic, usually just prior to pushback?

It sounds like a fat woman walking in corduroy pants.

I'm not a fifi driver (no disrespect intended) but I assume thats some kind of a hyd pump maintaining pressure..... Are we close? One of you airbus guys plz. set us straight cause i've wondered about it too....
Thx in advance.

 

[WalterSobchak]

forgive the lowly dispatcher....

PHX to standiford flight returned due to wheel well fire indication that was false. Overweight landing. Hot brakes. Towed to gate. All safe.

you may now resume your arguing.

You can always count on the lowly dispatcher to provide the "needed deets"...

 

[Captzaahlie]

You can always count on the lowly dispatcher to provide the "needed deets"...

For what it's worth the dispatcher is not so lowly.....

I've had one save me some embarrassment on several accounts...

I know it's just his description....

For the record DXJake is a very stand up guy!
(as are 99% at his company)
Just my sincere $ .02 worth......
Z.

 

[Donald]

How did they get the tow truck up to 80 knots?

I get it, LOL!!! I know we kinda taxi fast.

 

[waveflyer]

PSL aka Spock... jesus brother- relax a bit

 

[PositiveRate]

RE the fat woman in corduroy pants...

It's a hydraulic Power Transfer Unit.

Great choice of words bytheway!

 

[WalterSobchak]

For what it's worth the dispatcher is not so lowly.....

I've had one save me some embarrassment on several accounts...

I know it's just his description....

For the record DXJake is a very stand up guy!
(as are 99% at his company)
Just my sincere $ .02 worth......
Z.

I was just re-using his description as a segue to throw the ol' "need the deets" gag in there. No disrespect was intended towards one of my fellow DXers.

DXJake and the rest of those guys at WN are as good as good as they come...and someday I hope to get to go back home to Dallas to join their ranks (Was that enough arse-kissing, WN hiring folks?). Our office just lost of one of our best to them...

 

[PSL]

Waveflyer ...

For some reason I have failed to convince you I am not upset ... I'll just let it go.

I like the Spock comment ... Unfortunately my ears are just as large as Leonard's character without the ... well ... character of his stage ears.

Now that one our esteemed dispatchers has piped in and offered what happened ... I will tell you what made the scenario a great 'loft upgrade' item.

The wheel well fire warning (an AC powered item) continued to alert ... repeatedly ... and after the silence push switch was pushed.

For those of you who have flown the 737 ... it simply 'ain't' supposed to do that under normal alert conditions.

The QRH guidance has a simple memory item ...

A/S 270 / .82 Mach Max ----- Gear Down
Land at Nearest Suitable Airport

This is where it gets fun because the guidance has you emergency evac the airplane.

So ... do you push out infirmed/elderly or otherwise mobility challenge people down the slides even after the fire chief tells you there is NO FIRE ... No smoke ... No evidence there was a fire.

You decide ...

That's why I thought it made an excellent scenario to discuss during debrief ...

 

[Whataburger]

Do what ever ya want with the old/pregnant/young and disabled, but BY GOD make damn sure you have a FA in the aft galley, mid, and expecially in the front galley to tell people buh-by. Furthermore, make sure there is one pilot in the cockpit and one in the footprint of the plane. If ya dont believe me, check the last 27 FOM revisions.

 

[PSL]

Now that was funny !

 

[SpauldingSmails]

RE the fat woman in corduroy pants...

It's a hydraulic Power Transfer Unit.

Great choice of words bytheway!

Thanks PR. Another one of life's mysteries revealed.