SWA contract amendable- no pay raise?

[Babylon]

Question for SW guys - do you guys have any rigs in your contract? If so do your lines ever pay off of rigs or is it all hard time paid by # of trips you fly?

 

[SWA/FO]

Congrats on the raise effective, 9/1/06 to my all fellow union brothers!

Heres to holding the bar high so everybody will like us and be able to base their future contracts off of us!! "We want SWA + 1%"

 

[GuppyWN]

Yes we have rigs. They rarely pay off because we fly enough block hours in the day that a min guarantee or hourly rig doesn't kick in. Funny though how many times we are within 15 minutes of rig because we sat in XXX for 1:45 hours the previous leg.

Costs are no doubt on the rise. Personally I must insist on AT LEAST a COL increase though. Tie additional raises to profitability like our current extension. That worked and we got bumps most of the time. If the company wins, then we win.

Our productivity is still better with airplanes and pilots per airplane than anyone. I'd like to see someone with hard data showing our linear system vs. a hub and spoke but I'd doubt any hub and spoke operator could get more hours out of their jets than we do. With our turn times at 20 to 30 minutes I doubt you'll see many airlines getting more daily block hours out of their pilots than we do as well.

Why SHOULDN'T we get a raise? I refuse to burn the house down or choke the goose but I have yet to see a valid arguement why we shouldn't get some raise.

And SWA/FO - ah yes, September 1st. One of my favorite days of the year.

Gup

 

[Jim Smyth]

Question for SW guys - do you guys have any rigs in your contract? If so do your lines ever pay off of rigs or is it all hard time paid by # of trips you fly?

Are rigs are quite good. They occasionally kick in but usually they fly us allot (high line density) per day so the rigs arnt much of a player. Southwest is very resourcefull and when its comes to money related issues they figure out how to get the maximum bang for the buck.

 

[MLBWINGBORN]

I cant see why they would..Its making us/the company money.

I think if there were to be any changes in code share it would be much tighter lanquage for possible future agreements.

 

[Dangerkitty]

This from the pilot group of the most profitable carrier since 2001, that is also advocating flying to age 65.

Inflation is running 3%-4% per year the last two years. Anything less is a pay cut pure and simple.

AA767AV8TOR

SWA pilots are by far the highest paid narrow body pilots in the world. Most of the contract concerns are housekeeping issues that have not been addressed since 1994.

I think that is what Carl from SWAPA was getting at.

 

[Purpled]

SWA pilots need to take a raise and qol enhancements for two reasons:

1)If you can't do it now, then when. You're at the top of the pile. I'm not suggesting cutting the goose in half, but give youselves a nice pat on the back.

2)It would create pressure on other airlines, whose pilots will use your raise as leverage for their own, thus helping out other pilot groups(or maybe just making it harder on their management to keep them down). Who knows, you might put some carrier out of their misery by forcing costs up for them.

 

[xpdriver]

I would work for SWA for 50,000 a yr forever just b/c it would be nice to work for someone where people are happy to go to work.
hahahaha....

I hope that haha means you are kidding...The pilots at swa will luv you...

 

[TheGuat]

SWA pilots are by far the highest paid narrow body pilots in the world. Most of the contract concerns are housekeeping issues that have not been addressed since 1994.

I think that is what Carl from SWAPA was getting at.

Not correct. UPS narrow body pilots make more.

 

[Benhuntn]

purpled...were not here to get you pay raises! The guys that want pay raises can fight for them, that's fine. Personally, the pay raise we get tomorrow will hold me for a while. I would imagine it will take years to iron out this contract so any raise will be far off anyway. I really do want to see some QOL issues addressed and some insurance and medical things improved but I like most of the others here are not going to choke this goose so that you can wave our success in your mngmts faces. I think they made that movie in the late 90's and all the stars are broke or bk.

Just my two cents.

 

[Purpled]

purpled...were not here to get you pay raises! The guys that want pay raises can fight for them, that's fine. Personally, the pay raise we get tomorrow will hold me for a while. I would imagine it will take years to iron out this contract so any raise will be far off anyway. I really do want to see some QOL issues addressed and some insurance and medical things improved but I like most of the others here are not going to choke this goose so that you can wave our success in your mngmts faces. I think they made that movie in the late 90's and all the stars are broke or bk.

Just my two cents.

Hey genius, where do you think I work? I'm not counting on you to get me a payraise, we've already done that...pending a bit of voting. And you're right, it is a long process. Anyway, just be glad that I didn't make fun of SWAFO for gloating about how high you have held the bar...really, now.

Anyway, you should consider how to keep pressure on other carriers if/when fuel gets cheaper or hedges start running out. It's not about waving your success in other managements face, it's about pressure. But certainly, like you allude to in your post, make life better for you, not SQ or worse.

Oh yeah, did I mention that you've earned a raise?


What movie?

 

[GuppyWN]

I guess I'm only one vote but I've already had my fill of Kumbya. I'm not saying we ought to break the company but my God son, at least wait until we open before you guys give everything away!

Gup

 

[lowecur]

Why SHOULDN'T we get a raise? I refuse to burn the house down or choke the goose but I have yet to see a valid arguement why we shouldn't get some raise.

And SWA/FO - ah yes, September 1st. One of my favorite days of the year.

Gup

Mgt will have all the charts ready come the 19th.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; you guys want your cake and eat it to. You have mgt that is second to none, and the only reason you're not hurting right now is their smarts. And you will thank them for your good fortune by sitting on what you got till the hedges fully unwind and the company starts taking it up the arz.

This thing will drag on for years, cuz that's just the way things work in this business. SWAPA has prided itself in being able to work with mgt over the years, but this membership is not your fathers membership. It's picked up a ton of newly hired sourpusses the last 5 years from other airlines that are union hardasses.

Wait until they drop the 100 seat rate bomb on you guys. The word adversarial will be on the tip of everyone's tongue at that pt.

imp:

 

[Dangerkitty]

Mgt will have all the charts ready come the 19th.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; you guys want your cake and eat it to. You have mgt that is second to none, and the only reason you're not hurting right now is their smarts. And you will thank them for your good fortune by sitting on what you got till the hedges fully unwind and the company starts taking it up the arz.

This thing will drag on for years, cuz that's just the way things work in this business. SWAPA has prided itself in being able to work with mgt over the years, but this membership is not your fathers membership. It's picked up a ton of newly hired sourpusses the last 5 years from other airlines that are union hardasses.

Wait until they drop the 100 seat rate bomb on you guys. The word adversarial will be on the tip of everyone's tongue at that pt.

imp:

Why you come here and continue to make a fool of yourself is beyond me.

 

[lowecur]

Why you come here and continue to make a fool of yourself is beyond me.

Cuz I like getting a rise from emptyheaded sourpusses like yourself.

Now if you want to take the position that SWA would be more than happy to extend the current contract for another 5 years, then stand up and be heard. I say they will stand firm on an overall compensation reduction of 20%. My guess is SWAPA leadership won't budge for at least 2 years, and will finally be forced to present a TA to the membership for ratification by the end of 2008. It will be voted down and the existing leadership will receive a no confidence vote from the hardline membership and removed. Just another predictable soap opera from this disfunctional family known as the airline business.

imp:

 

[canyonblue737]

Cuz I like getting a rise from emptyheaded sourpusses like yourself.

Now if you want to take the position that SWA would be more than happy to extend the current contract for another 5 years, then stand up and be heard. I say they will stand firm on an overall compensation reduction of 20%. My guess is SWAPA leadership won't budge for at least 2 years, and will finally be forced to present a TA to the membership for ratification by the end of 2008. It will be voted down and the existing leadership will receive a no confidence vote from the hardline membership and removed. Just another predictable soap opera from this disfunctional family known as the airline business.

imp:

The mistakes that you and others make in regards to SWA, over and over again, is applying lessons from other carriers and assuming they apply. They don't. If you don't get SWA is different, then and now, you don't get SWA.

Watch and learn this Section 6, everyone has their vocal minorities but the huge majority of SWA pilots still feel the LUV.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Cuz I like getting a rise from emptyheaded sourpusses like yourself.

Empty headed? Let me remind you that you are the moron who thought that when pilots here were talking about Cat II and Cat III approaches, you asked why we were talking about landing in hurricaines.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know anything about the airline business.

Please guy back to your cubicle and hunt for your red stapler.

 

[TexaSWA]

1. you guys want your cake and eat it to.

2. picked up a ton of newly hired sourpusses the last 5 years from other airlines that are union hardasses.


3. Wait until they drop the 100 seat rate bomb on you guys. The word adversarial will be on the tip of everyone's tongue at that pt.

imp:

1. You are wrong. The "we need a raise" guys are an extreme minority, and not even a vocal one. I've yet to meet one on line.

2. You are wrong. Those guys get turned down. We hire furloughed guys, but the "sourpusses" are weeded out. Those that get through have a quick attitude change when they find out how it is to be treated well for the first time in their carreer.

3. You're taking a flyer here and hoping for a hit. I'll take one too since the topic hasn't been addressed. Same payrates for smaller equipment. Not worth splitting the pilot group over something that probably will not happen anyway. After all, if the company decides on smaller A/C, it will be because it is more cost effective, not less. I doubt they will see an improvement in efficiency as a reason for a pay cut.

 

[TexaSWA]

...existing leadership will receive a no confidence vote from the hardline membership and removed...
imp:

hardline membership? You're not at all familiar with our history. Or our membership.

 

[Saabslime]

Maybe you guys can negotiate to have the company pay for employee parking. I was just on the employee bus and there's a big notice for SWA employees to fill out the form to have parking fees deducted from your paycheck........... What a joke