SWA/AAI and the flight deck jumpseat

[greenpilot]

Well, we, as a whole, want to give you guys preferential interviews and would settle on a staple.

It's up to the MCs to come up with something "equitable"......

Sounds better then fair. How ever things work out do you think you could tell your flight attendants it's our first flight so we can be properly welcomed to swa?

 

[Tripower455]

Sounds better then fair. How ever things work out do you think you could tell your flight attendants it's our first flight so we can be properly welcomed to swa?

LOL... It's been far too long....... Actually, I'm hoping you bring a younger crop with you guys.....

 

[greenpilot]

I think that is another area where you guys will feel that we aren't bring anything to the table.

 

[Tripower455]

I think that is another area where you guys will feel that we aren't bring anything to the table.

OK, we'll have to call that one a wash!

 

[Lear70]

I think that is another area where you guys will feel that we aren't bring anything to the table.

Speak for yourself... 2 cute blondes on my flight back from LGA-ATL yesterday, at least half a dozen sitting ready reserve down in MCO... HR is doing a good job with the new ones being hired (at least from my perspective on attractiveness and attitude).

Hope we don't make their life miserable on RR and they quit in the first few months.

 

[SWA/FO]

Nothing new here to discuss. So the company that bought us pays more per hour. That doesn't mean you're somehow entitled to my seniority, no matter how you may justify it to yourselves. History and the law are telling you the same thing. See ya on the other side.

On a related note: that flying mesuem at Love field is good. Its so up to date with the history of Southwest, it even shows tranny purchase. SWA employees and tranny crew members (yes all their employees, I know it sounds retarded) get in for FREE + up to 3 people.

You should check it out, when your in training Ty Webb.

 

[greenpilot]

Speak for yourself... 2 cute blondes on my flight back from LGA-ATL yesterday, at least half a dozen sitting ready reserve down in MCO... HR is doing a good job with the new ones being hired (at least from my perspective on attractiveness and attitude).

Hope we don't make their life miserable on RR and they quit in the first few months.

Lear I was talking about the female FA's I'm sure there are plenty of cute dudes if your into that

 

[Lear70]

Lear I was talking about the female FA's I'm sure there are plenty of cute dudes if your into that

If you keep "outing" me, I'm going to report you... lol

 

[PCL_128]

PCL-
Why are you fanning the flames?

wave, it seems to me that the one fanning the flames here is the one claiming that he should get a "significant gain" in relative seniority at the expense of the AirTran pilots. If you think that, you should really just keep it to yourself. It's only going to serve to get everyone pissed off, and that's not productive. You'll notice that I haven't said a single thing here about what I expect from the SLI. Neither have Ty, Lear, Kharma, or the other AirTran posters. That shouldn't be publicly debated. It's up to the MCs to work out, and possibly an arbitrator. Talking about it here just "fans the flames."

Why are you intensely trying to raise the SLI expectations of AT pilots?

I think the expectations of the AirTran pilots are right in line with reality. I'm not trying to raise or lower them. I think the MC has done a good job in reminding everyone that arbitration is unpredictable, also. But when SWA pilots issue these ridiculous threats, I think someone should call BS. That's all I'm doing, and I'll continue to do it.

Why are you trying to discount all the benefits of this deal to AT pilots?

I think both pilot groups share in the benefits. I believe upgrade times for SWA pilots will significantly drop. I think we'll see massive growth over the coming years as the synergies are realized, which benefits everyone equally. I think you'll get to fly international routes that you otherwise never would have flown. I don't believe for a second that all of the benefits are on the side of the AirTran pilots. I think it's disingenuous for you to imply that they are. I also don't believe that an arbitrator will buy it.

 

[Cometman]

wave, it seems to me that the one fanning the flames here is the one claiming that he should get a "significant gain" in relative seniority at the expense of the AirTran pilots. If you think that, you should really just keep it to yourself. It's only going to serve to get everyone pissed off, and that's not productive. You'll notice that I haven't said a single thing here about what I expect from the SLI. Neither have Ty, Lear, Kharma, or the other AirTran posters. That shouldn't be publicly debated. It's up to the MCs to work out, and possibly an arbitrator. Talking about it here just "fans the flames."



I think the expectations of the AirTran pilots are right in line with reality. I'm not trying to raise or lower them. I think the MC has done a good job in reminding everyone that arbitration is unpredictable, also. But when SWA pilots issue these ridiculous threats, I think someone should call BS. That's all I'm doing, and I'll continue to do it.



I think both pilot groups share in the benefits. I believe upgrade times for SWA pilots will significantly drop. I think we'll see massive growth over the coming years as the synergies are realized, which benefits everyone equally. I think you'll get to fly international routes that you otherwise never would have flown. I don't believe for a second that all of the benefits are on the side of the AirTran pilots. I think it's disingenuous for you to imply that they are. I also don't believe that an arbitrator will buy it.

Very good points. If I was a SWA guy I would give you guys what ever you want just to get you on the list. I did not know they would get all theses benefits. International flying is the big one. Do you even get a pay bump for your International flying ? You will probably get it with SWAPA. I think they will give you what you want because you deserve it. Why should you have to give up anything. You are entitled to it.

 

[shootr]

"significant gain" in relative seniority at the expense of the AirTran pilots

You're kidding, right?

 

[SWA/FO]

You'll notice that I haven't said a single thing here about what I expect from the SLI. Neither have Ty, Lear, Kharma, or the other AirTran posters.

true dat! Its been all the SWA guys....

Looks like Ty talked about what he expects just the other day and I quote:

In other words, to an Arbitrator, it's not going to be brain surgery. There will be no staple. There will be no "bump and flush". There will likely be not a lot of change, period. That is their job- to merge the lists in a way that causes the least amount of change to a pilots' expectations for seat, equipment, domicile, and bidding power, and the number of years in the top seat.

I know you guys don't like it, but historically, that is how it has gone. If you want to take your chances on Arbitration, I think you'll be surprised and disappointed. As long as you keep thinking you are the "star-bellies", though, reaching a mutually agreeable list that will pass muster with both Pilot groups is unlikely.

Its about time for you guys to man up and realize that this is a great deal for you.

Look, there are no "do overs" ask the F9 guys. Tranny's are getting a great deal, you would have my respect, if you would acknowledge this fact.

Southwest is the best job in aviation period and you are very close to having it. I'm being honest, you guys could really F this thing up.

We bought you... sorry.

Make a list of what you're getting from Southwest compaired to Air Tran, where you are at now. Not talking any seniority, make a list of your gains. It should be a long list, that should bring a smile to your face.

Now go get on our list and be thankful, this is a great Company. Picture yourself in our uniforms imp: (which will make you look like this) cus, if you don't want it, guess what 8,000 pilots applied for 200 openings.... they want it. Frankly, I'd rather give them a shot then listen to Ty cry :bawling:forever!

 

[SWA/FO]

Here is another quote from Ty, check your facts PLC... No wonder they fired ur ass.

And I quote:

The most important thing, to me, is quality of life. The payscales are a given ('cept for the 717, but I'm sure they'll be fair).

I want to work at a place where I can enjoy working with other pilots, and not an "east versus west" "redtails versus bluetails" or "corn dog versus tranny". I feel pretty confident that our negotiators and their will come up with something that we can all live with.

To me, the most fair method is some sort of relative seniority- where you are is where you is

Get your facts right buddy. Ty you know we drug test at Southwest? You know you will have to pass the drug test to work here?

 

[Muppets]

true dat! Its been all the SWA guys....

Looks like Ty talked about what he expects just the other day and I quote:



Its about time for you guys to man up and realize that this is a great deal for you.

Look, there are no "do overs" ask the F9 guys. Tranny's are getting a great deal, you would have my respect, if you would acknowledge this fact.

Southwest is the best job in aviation period and you are very close to having it. I'm being honest, you guys could really F this thing up.

We bought you... sorry.

Make a list of what you're getting from Southwest compaired to Air Tran, where you are at now. Not talking any seniority, make a list of your gains. It should be a long list, that should bring a smile to your face.

Now go get on our list and be thankful, this is a great Company. Picture yourself in our uniforms imp: (which will make you look like this) cus, if you don't want it, guess what 8,000 pilots applied for 200 openings.... they want it. Frankly, I'd rather give them a shot then listen to Ty cry :bawling:forever!

Both sides could really F this thing up. If both groups act like 1st graders the whole thing gets f'd up. Greatest job in aviation? Maybe. But if there is a Karma god that deals with airline pilots, you dudes are pissing him off!

 

[SWA/FO]

But if there is a Karma god that deals with airline pilots, you dudes are pissing him off!

But there isn't one, so we are good! :cartman: