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SWA-AAI: Acquisition or Merger??

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You mean the topic that gets rehashed on every AT/SWA thread for the last 6 months? And there are at least a million threads on that same topic. And the same 10 people arguing the same tired positions. It is probably driving away traffic. It is getting to the point where it is almost worse than having to read a US Airways thread.
 
Hey guys,

How about this..

Unless it FOUL language or a direct insult, let them play. Your 'moderating' is starting to affect every thread.

To DELETE and entire thread, under the guise that it was 'rolled' into another thread (which was a lie) is....crossing the line. I'm sorry, just calling like I see it.
 
clr4theapch said:
Wow you guys.. you read way too much in this stuff we do.. we do not have any agenda, we do not get paid in anyway size, shape or form.. I don't even work for an airline anymore.. So speaking for myself I really dont give a crap of the topic or who is writing it.. I am looking for civility, organization, on topic in the right section etc..

I welcome anyone to step up to the plate and volunteer your time to the FI owners.. they will look at the content and temperament of all your posts and they will ask other about you and after that, they will decide to offer you this grand position..

and for this prevledge, you get to do everything I mentioned and then some, and deal with people like you... so thanks for volunteering and see you on this side of the street.. Mod clr4
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Hmmm....
 
redflyer65 said:
Hey guys,

How about this..

Unless it FOUL language or a direct insult, let them play. Your 'moderating' is starting to affect every thread.

To DELETE and entire thread, under the guise that it was 'rolled' into another thread (which was a lie) is....crossing the line. I'm sorry, just calling like I see it.
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I'm a little confused who you're talking to. I don't moderate these threads, and OWW has stayed out of it for the most part, so you might try a PM to CLR if you have a question.

For my part, I've only moderated 3 threads in the last week, all for language or personal identifying information disclosed.

Lastly, I don't see a "lie" anywhere in the merging of threads. I may have a unique perspective, as I can see the moderation panel where the "merge" function was used, all the original posts in both threads are still here, nothing has been deleted. So what, specifically, are you talking about?
 
Lear70 said:
I'm a little confused who you're talking to. I don't moderate these threads, and OWW has stayed out of it for the most part, so you might try a PM to CLR if you have a question.

For my part, I've only moderated 3 threads in the last week, all for language or personal identifying information disclosed.

Lastly, I don't see a "lie" anywhere in the merging of threads. I may have a unique perspective, as I can see the moderation panel where the "merge" function was used, all the original posts in both threads are still here, nothing has been deleted. So what, specifically, are you talking about?
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Coming from the guy who banned me for 2 weeks for posting a thread where he begged to be stapled to Southwest.

This website is basically controlled by AirTran pilots and it looks like squashing threads with important info is becoming normal.

Come on Lear, what gives?
 
You guys are funny... you must believe that the US shot down Flt 93 and no airplane struct the Pentagon...

I will not even honor your post by responding to anymore of this nonsence... no threads were deleted... the are moved and just "melt-in" to the thread it was moved to.. transparent...

I still say, Put your name in the Mod hat... I'll gladly give it up to you... if you can pass the smell test..... I'm done with this thread.. lear handle them...
 
Bob Dylan said:
Coming from the guy who banned me for 2 weeks for posting a thread where he begged to be stapled to Southwest.
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That's not why you got suspended, and you know better.

This website is basically controlled by AirTran pilots and it looks like squashing threads with important info is becoming normal.
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Suuuuuurrrre. :rolleyes:
 
Easy.... there. Really, who in their right mind would want to police this message board. Its totally out of control.
 
redflyer65 said:
Hey guys,


To DELETE and entire thread, under the guise that it was 'rolled' into another thread (which was a lie) is....crossing the line. I'm sorry, just calling like I see it.
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When topics are redundant and reoccurring we often use a moderator function to "merge" the threads. When merged, they will be listed by time/date of post.

...and YES, they were merged.

On a side note, we (moderators) wouldn't need to use a "heavy hand" to moderate if the posts contained any civility. Keep that in mind when you make a post.

..and hey, where's my free t-shirt!?
 
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I'm Swa- and support the mods on this guys-

I just don't see the slant- Lear has his opinions- but I don't have fault w/ what little moderating he's done. besides- they are correct, you are free to contact the webmaster to mod yourself- it sounds to me like most of the violators are stirring the pot and wrapping themselves around the axle so much that they fail to take responsibility for their own posts.

It is getting old and circular, these SLI exchanges- just let it work out and let it go.
 
Tranny trying to buy Midwest. They threw tons of money at them... Was the Midwest BOD stupid.... yep - then they made a deal with the devil NWA.

Wonder how it would be for the Midwest dudes, now? Better, I'm sure.
 
clr4theapch said:
Ya know dylan.. you keep badgering the mods, or don't start posting anything but AVIATION related information, I'll suspend you for 6 freaking months..

Just because you offer nothing to this web site.. that is a TOS violation and you have been suspended before, therfor your a trouble maker here... don't think so? try me.... I am dam serious, go away as fast as you can.. right now dude
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Do it. Please. This tool is a virus. Hope his real name never gets out.
 
Bob Dylan said:
Here's how it was explained to me by someone in the know: AirTran is getting bought by Southwest, period. AirTran pilots will be stapled since there is no requirement to merge the seniority lists because Southwest pilots are not represented by ALPA. Just in case ALPA continues to drag this out, Guadaloupe Holdings was formed and the former AirTran pilots will remain there until they agree to being stapled or until Southwest slowly sheds the business of Guadaloupe. Preferential interviews will be offered to Guadaloupe pilots in order to get the pilots that want to be Southwest pilots over sooner while the holdouts simply stay at Guadaloupe.
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Still going strong as a super TOOL
 
Ok, I do see the original post by Texman on page 3 but to still throw up the 'we have too many of the same threads' is kinda weak. Just like someone pointed out, there have been similar threads for 6 months but NOW we have to start 'rolling' them.

Lear, my comment wasn't directed at you because you have stayed clear of moderating these threads. Which I thought was a good idea from the very beginning.
 
onewithwings said:
When topics are redundant and reoccurring we often use a moderator function to "merge" the threads. When merged, they will be listed by time/date of post.

...and YES, they were merged.
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Your bias is showing.

These threads aren't being "merged". One thread is acquiring the other. Clearly the only logical to order the posts is for the acquiring thread's posts to be first, otherwise the conversation is muddled and confused.

;)
 
Your bias is showing.

These threads aren't being "merged". One thread is acquiring the other. Clearly the only logical to order the posts is for the acquiring thread's posts to be first, otherwise the conversation is muddled and confused.
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It is unfair to the dominant thread.
 
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Folks, we do the best we can with the tools we have to use on this web site.. I know in the past we have all asked the members to please avoid starting new threads on the same topic because of this very problem when threads are merged.. they can get confusing.. because the system just merges them where it thinks they belong..

This is why it's important to keep threads on topic and only post in that thread... the only other alternative is to delete the thread entirely an we hate to do that... or leave it alone an then you all complain about too many threads on the same issue...

You see, the mods are in a constant postion of making adjustments to try and keep FI as organized and clean as possible... in any case we tick off someone... But for some to accuse us of bias, or playing games, or anything off-color is just plain silly and it becomes offensive if that point is pushed to the limit of personal attacks..

How many times are you going to let someone push you around with a smile on your face, before you push back... everyone has their limits.. and when someone obviously has ill intentions from the start and a track record of doing so before just to cause trouble.. well I hope you all get the picture from our perspective as mods...

That's all I have to say about this matter....
 
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redflyer65 said:
Lear, my comment wasn't directed at you because you have stayed clear of moderating these threads. Which I thought was a good idea from the very beginning.
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Yeah, you guys were right about that for sure, thanks again for the nudges on that. :beer:
 
clr4theapch said:
Who said I was a good mod...
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Good! At least I can agree on 1 thing with you.

threads that get out of control like this one, usually do end up with a mod being the end of the story...
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Usually because the "mod" ends up getting, EMOTIONALLY involved.


peace out lets move on with the thread...
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Then let it be.
 
N1atEcon said:
I heard it was an aquisition.
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According to side letter 8, "aquire" and "aquisition" are both only mentioned once and both are in reference to AirTran stock on page 1. The rest of the document (which was agreed to between SWAPA and WN with no input from ALPA or FL and lays out the protections for SWAPA during the merger process), uses the term merger. I would say that SWAPA and WN are in agreement that this is a merger. If that were not so, and SWAPA had the power to persuade GK, I believe they'd have used the terms "aquire" or "aquisition" throughout the document. Instead there are four definitions including "merger" and none including "aquisition".
 
The SEC filings utilizes the word "merger" a vast majority of the time and only uses "acquisition" a few times. There is almost always an acquirer and an acquiree in every merger. Some companies have chosen to not merge operations and others have chose to. In this case SWA management has chosen to merge the operations and integrate the employees. Hense merging operatons of a successful airline like Airtran will yield over $400 million/year of revenue synergies. Im not too worried, I think that the combined airline will be a kick azz airline. I also think that after the smoke clears, even the SW pilots will be happy that Airtran was bought. Lots of rumors of lots of growth....which is good for all.
 
Hey clr4-
I think the last posts about bias were joking...
SLI humor, you know
 
Thats fine, I was just explaining what happens when we merge posts.. it get messy and we really don't like to do it.. but sometimes it is just the timg to do to keep the common questions together.. it happens all the time on the regionals.. but its getting better..

Sorry I had to lay the hammer down earlier, but some people just like to keep the blue water stirred up.. an we really work alot of hours to keep thing running well behind the blue curtain... so when a mod gest attacked, it does get somewhat personal, especially of we are accused of some mis-deed.. it does not go down well.. and all the mods come running to the defence..

Thanks for the FYI

Clr 4
 

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