SW places firm order for 150 737 Max, announced this morning (12-13-2011)

[PSL]

OYS and General Lee:

I can tell you with 101% certainity that SL10 (the ratified integration) has met the yard stick which is applied to most 'fair' seniority list integrations. For those of you unfamiliar with this axiom, fairness is achieved when everyone (or nearly everyone) is equally disappointed with the result.

Clearly there were winners (our senior FOs) and loosers (new hire SWA pilots post announcement) at SWA.

I will defer to the perspective of an Air Tran pilot to share their thoughts on who won and loss.

From my perspective, a SWA-CA, this merger did not increase my career earnings projections. What it did, post 2015, is for a time put acquired pilots in front of me (class of 2001) for bidding (vacation and open time).

I am sure each of us has our opinion of whether the agreement was fair.

Let the ruminations and posturing begin ...

 

[PSL]

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[slaquer5]

Speaking of the General...

Since he doesn't seem to be around lately, let me respond in his stead:

"SWA made 150 firm orders for the 737 Max? What?! Obviously, that's the end of Southwest! The 737 Max is a crappy plane that can only fly to LBB! They can't afford it; their culture's gone; they're all gonna' get their pay slashed or furloughed; they're all heathens!"

Does that sound about right? Did I miss anything?

Bubba

Yes you forgot something about eating ice cream and SWA flying 27 legs a day .

 

[Quimby]

Is that your proctologist calling? I'm sure he'll advise you to use lube next time.

Back to your RJ, bitching about overhead panels in aircraft you don't fly, and making extremely weak attempts at jokes.

Buh bye!

 

[Uncle Bort]

In contrast to the shrinkage going on everywhere else, I would say this is great news for a great company!

Unc

 

[N1atEcon]

It appears like they still didn't get an automatic digital control system for temps, just because SWA was scared to teach their pilots how to use them.

I truly doubt you flew the B-1 making a moronic statement like that. If so I fear for our nations defense.

 

[flint4xx]

It'll be the same overhead panel. It's still a 737.

 

[GunnarHk]

Why is it bad news for the newhire SWA pilot? Just curious?

OYS and General Lee:

I can tell you with 101% certainity that SL10 (the ratified integration) has met the yard stick which is applied to most 'fair' seniority list integrations. For those of you unfamiliar with this axiom, fairness is achieved when everyone (or nearly everyone) is equally disappointed with the result.

Clearly there were winners (our senior FOs) and loosers (new hire SWA pilots post announcement) at SWA.

I will defer to the perspective of an Air Tran pilot to share their thoughts on who won and loss.

From my perspective, a SWA-CA, this merger did not increase my career earnings projections. What it did, post 2015, is for a time put acquired pilots in front of me (class of 2001) for bidding (vacation and open time).

I am sure each of us has our opinion of whether the agreement was fair.

Let the ruminations and posturing begin ...

 

[nimtz]

Sounds like someones jealous.

Of chiropractors? Yep. Now they can continue to enjoy a nice stream of line pilots with blown L5 discs. Look I know it's blasphemy to bad mouth Herb's chariot, but the 50's cockpit in The Fluff sucks.

I don't relish sitting in it for the next 30 years. I'm disappointed that collectively the airlines bent over to Airbus/Boeing and allowed the cartel to get by by hanging new engines and using cool words like 'sharklets'. Would of been nice to see AMR, LUV, and UAL leverage Boeing into something better then a 'customized' NG.

 

[waveflyer]

I'd agree nimitz but fuel, OPEC, and economic reality drove this train
Look at the delays and costs in the 787- I think all sides needed more of a sure thing sooner

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

Why is it bad news for the newhire SWA pilot? Just curious?

On the internal web board there are some upset guys that were in the pool and "expected better" apparently... We'll leave that for internal discussion!

When you show up for class no,w as a new hire, you should know what to expect, until the next merger (and their will be a NEXT merger!)

It's still the best place you could be working in this business PERIOD!

Later,
KBB

 

[DonVerita]

Does anyone have a video link or photo link to what the new interiors will look like?

 

[USMC319]

Don't let these future aircraft orders get you folks all het up into a false sense of security. AA made one of the largest aircraft orders in the history of commercial aviation and then promptly filed for bankruptcy. Hopefully for the junior guys this will give some hope for upgrade before retirement, but at the end of the day it is primarily a replacement order to keep up with the Jones'.

 

[slaquer5]

Don't let these future aircraft orders get you folks all het up into a false sense of security. AA made one of the largest aircraft orders in the history of commercial aviation and then promptly filed for bankruptcy. Hopefully for the junior guys this will give some hope for upgrade before retirement, but at the end of the day it is primarily a replacement order to keep up with the Jones'.

I am glad a Frontier pilot can tell all our new guys how gloom and doom it is at SWA. I hate to burst your bubble but our new hies are going to have the time of there life. I would trade w/ them in a second.

Unlike you, I do wish you guys the best.

 

[Linedriver]

On the internal web board there are some upset guys that were in the pool and "expected better" apparently... We'll leave that for internal discussion!

When you show up for class no,w as a new hire, you should know what to expect, until the next merger (and their will be a NEXT merger!)

It's still the best place you could be working in this business PERIOD!

Later,
KBB

What should a new hire expect?? That there will be another merger?

How long should a new hire expect to hang out in Oakland at the present predicted hiring rate?

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

What should a new hire expect?? That there will be another merger?

How long should a new hire expect to hang out in Oakland at the present predicted hiring rate?

Who knows about OAKLAND, too many things in flux right now, WHAT if the SENIOR A/T Guys ALL commuted from the west Coast, Theoretically, they could produce some huge movement, Hypothetical YES, Possible Maybe! Guess we'll know something more tomorrow (I think the A/T pilot bid closes tomorrow, 12-15-2011!)

LATER,
KBB

 

[dicko]

Who knows about OAKLAND, too many things in flux right now, WHAT if the SENIOR A/T Guys ALL commuted from the west Coast, Theoretically, they could produce some huge movement, Hypothetical YES, Possible Maybe! Guess we'll know something more tomorrow (I think the A/T pilot bid closes tomorrow, 12-15-2011!)

LATER,
KBB

The vast majority of the senior AirTran pilots are staying on the 717. It appears the 'wonders' of being a SWA FO weren't enough to lure them.

 

[Muppets]

I am glad a Frontier pilot can tell all our new guys how gloom and doom it is at SWA. I hate to burst your bubble but our new hies are going to have the time of there life. I would trade w/ them in a second.

Unlike you, I do wish you guys the best.

Ol F9 reminds of the string quartet that stands on the deck of the ship in Titanic and plays their instruments as the ship fills with H2o.

 

[slaquer5]

Ol F9 reminds of the string quartet that stands on the deck of the ship in Titanic and plays their instruments as the ship fills with H2o.

Thanks Bro, I needed a good laugh

 

[USMC319]

Seems like we still have a few F9 haters over there at good old SWA. We appreciate your concerns. Unlike you two Aces, my post was merely stating that aircraft orders don't equate to good times or growth for that matter. Incidently, I still wouldn't give up my captains seat to be on the bottom of your list. Sorry to burst your bubble. That's my opinion only. If I was still a ute, I would have a different outlook on it all I'm sure. Hate away boys!