SW places firm order for 150 737 Max, announced this morning (12-13-2011)

[atldc9]

At one of the last investor conferences, the speaker had the total fleet at 163 -300's, 25 -500's and 88 717's. 276 retirements.

 

[crxpilot]

Your right OYS, it looks like Southwest will never do international at this point. Please keep counting us out.

Well it does say:

The 737 MAX guarantees Southwest:

• A single fleet type well into the next decade with the operational benefits associated with training, schedule recovery, and maintenance programs

 

[c9skytrain]

Hopefully these new airplanes will allow us to single engine taxi. The ability to leverage all fuel savings possible will help everyone.

 

[beytzim]

slow and steady. This is why SWA is the most successful airline EVER.

To the person who commented on slow upgrade times: thats funny. I personally don't mind making almost 200k a year as an f/o having weekends and holidays off. But to each his own.

 

[GIZMONC]

Newjetjockey:
SWA has 25 -500's and 250+ 300's which are classics and all roads lead to replacing these AC with newer AC. Some of the older 300's are up to 27 years old the 500's are 18-20 years old so these AC will most likely be replaced. I would say all the older classics with the analog cockpits will be gone SOON. With this announcement it made note that SWA has 350 AC on order thru 2022. One of the posters on another site has indicated that internal rumors indicate that the FL 717 will most like NOT see SWA paint, due to the aggressive A/C delivers due for 2012-2013.

 

[PropPiedmont]

SWA doesn't have 250+ 300s. It does have 250 717/733s.

 

[bladeusa]

id think the aggressive delivery schedule has a lot more to do with replacing the older classics then the 717.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

I found a pic of one of the upgrades that SWA is ordering for the overhead:

http://myloupe.com/disp_thumb_images/569/display/672767.jpg

So psyched!

 

[On Your Six]

Congrats guy/gals. This is good news for everyone-except maybe OYS.

Why is it bad news for me? I never wanted to fly for SWA. The old clunky 733s and 735s need to be replaced obviously. I just hope SWA doesn't ruin another cockpit by keeping an old design so it's "easier" for their pilots only. When I flew those planes back before 9-11 for my previous employer the temp guages were the worst, not accurate at all. It appears like they still didn't get an automatic digital control system for temps, just because SWA was scared to teach their pilots how to use them. Do you know how many airlines went with Airbus instead because of the more modern design? Let's hope they keep them away from anything dealing with any new designs.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

slow and steady. This is why SWA is the most successful airline EVER.

To the person who commented on slow upgrade times: thats funny. I personally don't mind making almost 200k a year as an f/o having weekends and holidays off. But to each his own.

How about your Airtran 717 brethren you raked over the coals? What will they make over the next few years? Good for you, the MOST SUCCESSFUL AIRLINE EVER!!! Way to take it to your brothers!


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[Quimby]

Hilarious! Enjoy your 20 year upgrade!

Ring, ring...

 

[SKC]

Newjetjockey:
SWA has 25 -500's and 250+ 300's which are classics and all roads lead to replacing these AC with newer AC.

As of yesterday, we're at 160 -300s.

 

[say again]

And the haters hate....truly pathetic guys. You'll find just about anything to bash SWA huh?! From an outsider, it makes you all look pretty sad.

 

[Lear70]

I found a pic of one of the upgrades that SWA is ordering for the overhead:

http://myloupe.com/disp_thumb_images/569/display/672767.jpg

So psyched!

Well-played, sir...

 

[Tripower455]

And the haters hate....truly pathetic guys. You'll find just about anything to bash SWA huh?! From an outsider, it makes you all look pretty sad.

Envy is a terrible thing......

 

[johnsonrod]

Ring, ring...

Is that your proctologist calling? I'm sure he'll advise you to use lube next time.

 

[Heavy Set]

When you order a massive amount of airplanes (like the 737), customers can influence future designs. You have to cater to your better customers in any industry. It does not surprise me that Southwest wanted a similar overhead panel on upgraded aircraft to ease the transition.

Personally, I like this overhead panel better:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boei...30727/L/&sid=786128349386f4cd8edcd07c2017328e

 

[SWA Bubba]

How about your Airtran 717 brethren you raked over the coals? What will they make over the next few years? Good for you, the MOST SUCCESSFUL AIRLINE EVER!!! Way to take it to your brothers!


Godspeed!


OYS

Let's see...

The General's thing seems to be LBB. Your thing seems to be Airtran and culture. You know, as much as we all appreciate your concern, I think we'll be okay. But to answer your question, our Airtran 717 brethren, that we "raked over the coals," will be making exactly the same as they're making now, i.e. Airtran rates, for the next coupla years. They start transitioning over in Feb or Mar (starting with 737 guys, I believe), so many per month, and the most junior ones might be there up to three years. If we can replace the 717s before then with 737s, then they'll come over to the SWAPA side sooner. At any rate, at the point they transition, they'll make the standard SWAPA rates. Don't know exactly what that'll be (profit-based variable raises and all), but I can damn well say it'll be more than YOU will be making. Does THAT answer your question? Anything else I can help you with? Fantastic.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

Speaking of the General...

Since he doesn't seem to be around lately, let me respond in his stead:

"SWA made 150 firm orders for the 737 Max? What?! Obviously, that's the end of Southwest! The 737 Max is a crappy plane that can only fly to LBB! They can't afford it; their culture's gone; they're all gonna' get their pay slashed or furloughed; they're all heathens!"

Does that sound about right? Did I miss anything?

Bubba

 

[dicko]

Let's see...

The General's thing seems to be LBB. Your thing seems to be Airtran and culture. You know, as much as we all appreciate your concern, I think we'll be okay. But to answer your question, our Airtran 717 brethren, that we "raked over the coals," will be making exactly the same as they're making now, i.e. Airtran rates, for the next coupla years. They start transitioning over in Feb or Mar (starting with 737 guys, I believe), so many per month, and the most junior ones might be there up to three years. If we can replace the 717s before then with 737s, then they'll come over to the SWAPA side sooner. At any rate, at the point they transition, they'll make the standard SWAPA rates. Don't know exactly what that'll be (profit-based variable raises and all), but I can damn well say it'll be more than YOU will be making. Does THAT answer your question? Anything else I can help you with? Fantastic.

Bubba

Just to be clear. Not to start the old BS again;

AirTran pilots will make their old rates on the 717, even after they have transitioned to the SWAPA contract. Until 2015. No, they are not happy about it. Nor do they have any choice.