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What's the confusion? Sober up, flynqueers doesn't work at SWA, he wants to send information to people at SWA to ruin this unknown person's chances of getting hired there.

Never mind that SWA has the ability to screen the guy with their own testing and never mind that in training he could get screened out and never mind that the guy has to finish IOE.

It's not a safety issue...if it was a flight safety issue, how come the guy flynqueers was talking about was safe enough to work at his operator?
Ok buddy. I get it now. I had some trouble understanding this guys intent. Yeah, thats crap. What a jerk. BTW I really didn't read what he had to say. Guilty as charged. I stand by my first post, but when its "in house". It isn't right to "blacklist" someone at another carrier they are appying for. I'm sure SWA will take care of that guy. If he's a bad stick or has a bad attitude, they will let him know. Sorry for the confusion. Ok, this time I'm going to bed!
 
The_Russian said:
Ok buddy. I get it now. I had some trouble understanding this guys intent. Yeah, thats crap. What a jerk. BTW I really didn't read what he had to say. Guilty as charged. I stand by my first post, but when its "in house". It isn't right to "blacklist" someone at another carrier they are appying for. I'm sure SWA will take care of that guy. If he's a bad stick or has a bad attitude, they will let him know. Sorry for the confusion. Ok, this time I'm going to bed!
Didn't mean to jump your case...but logic has it that if the applicant was safe enough to fly at the complainer's operation, then who the hell is the complainer? Just another guy that works at an unsafe operation.

"Jee, we got this guy that works HERE, that's unsafe and we don't like him going to a GOOD place to fly, so the rest of us unsafe pilots at this unsafe operation want to wreck it for this guy!"

It's "crab pot" theory. One of the crabs was going to escape the crab pot and the other crabs didn't like it.

If lear was woried about safety of flight, he'd pull HIS mask off...because an accused person has a right to face his accusers in this country.
 
Would you like to be sitting in the back of a B737 with a guy in the cockpit that has no clue on what to do in an emergency situation? Flynlears


Don't they require a 737 type rating over there? I'm sure he'll know what he's doing (for a while, at least). I'm sure he can try to B.S. the H.R. but they've been doing this a while so they just might pick up on this guys disposition. You speak as if you've never served time swingin' the gear? Any experiences you'd care to relate to us bout' when you were the right hand man and some CA gave you static? Sometimes these anecdotes help us FO's hear where you're coming from instead of dismissing the sanctimony.

 
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So Flynlears no longer works with this guy therefore there is no longer a professional requirement to report him as a safety risk to his CP, if indeed he ever was.

Seems to me that this is being perpetrated out of spite regarding personal differences.

IMHO that makes YOU 'Flynlears' an absolute maggot.

What goes around comes around in this industry. Who knows, in a few years time you might be furloughed and then applying for a job at Southwest with this guy above you int he seniority rank. Good luck getting on.

I bet you make friends wherever you go lol.

Maggot
 
flynlears13 said:
...once you get to the level of flying that I am at.
Wow! Better go ahead and sew on that 5th and 6th stripe on your shoulders.

Super8000hourLearCaptain13 said:
Lear Wanna Be: I may not be smart enough to add this thread to the majors list, but at 8000 hours, I was flying as a captain in lears….
Well I was at 2400 and I hope by the time I have 8000 I've moved beyond being a super duper huge ego six stripe backstabbing bastard Lear Captain.

This industry's full of scumbags and I think we just found their leader.
 
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flynlears13 said:
what process can I do to warn you and your colleagues of this First Officer Candidate?

I would think that SWA knows a think or two about screening pilot applicants. If what you say is true, then s/he won't pass the SWA A$$hole test, and you can sleep better at night, hows that!?
 
flynlears13 said:
Would you like to be sitting in the back of a B737 with a guy in the cockpit that has no clue on what to do in an emergency situation

For christ fuking sake. If this person is as bad as you say, they won't pass a PC, let alone a type ride.

Give it a rest!
 
This brings up a bigger issue. I would imagine various airlines do have blacklists that may or may not be on paper. How does one get on such a list and how does one get off one (if at all)? I know that we're a relatively small community and word does travel around, but we're not that small. For instance, the flight school I went to had two locations with a total of probably about 350 or so students. I was there for over four years and probably only knew about 25 students at any given time. My point is that it would be fairly hard to know any "hard" facts about an applicant unless they're someone you personally know. As for former employers, my current company has a very hard policy to not answer questions beyound whether the person was, in fact, employed here and for how long. Anything else would require a subpoena or something of that sort. Even a PRIA form probably won't tell you all that much.

It would seem to me that you can get "blacklisted" for liking a different sports team than someone who has some pull with regards to said blacklist. I suppose, this is really nothing new, this business has always worked more on personal connections than on merit. We can debate if that's good or bad, but I think most of us will agree that it is so.
 
flyboyike said:
I suppose, this is really nothing new, this business has always worked more on personal connections than on merit. We can debate if that's good or bad, but I think most of us will agree that it is so.
My instructor at regional initial training was pacing the classroom ranting about how they could make life miserable for us at the "big guys" because they "knew" people. People like that need to be stabbed in the eye with an ice pick or pushed down a ladder.
 
Flyn lears, just think if UAL had a black list like that......a lot of good GUYS would be flying there today instead of getting the ole, "we found someone else more qualified than you" letter. A COMPETENT interview board should be able to figure out if someone is going to workout for them or not. And if they slip through the cracks there, any weakness will show up in training and IOE.

My question to you is this.....if the person gets turned down at SWA, and then tries to get hired at the regionals or some 135 outfit, where are you going to stop with ratting this person out? Or will it be your duty to rat this individual out where ever he/she goes? Just a thought...
 
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The_Russian said:
Well....

I have reported many a pilot at many different jobs I have had.
Just my .02c

Wow, sounds like you have had to report quite a few. You fly at UAL by any chance? Especially when all the hiring was going on? If so, I can see why you would have to skip the pro-stds and go right to mgmt...
 
Wow, sounds like you have had to report quite a few. You fly at UAL by any chance? Especially when all the hiring was going on? If so, I can see why you would have to skip the pro-stds and go right to mgmt...

No, I work at a small regional. Here there is a lot of excessive hiring going on. I report people who operate my aircraft in an unsafe way. For example, exceeding limitations of the aircraft or not following profiles. Now, for me to say something to Pro Stands or Mgmt it would have to be actions that are repeated over and over again. Like some guy who won't listen when you try to explain why you shouldn't overtemp the turbines. Or a guy who can't land the Beech and hes got 1200 hours under his belt. You can just tell the guys who will never make it. Or the guys who just shouldn't be there. Gotta get rid of 'em before they get someone killed.
 
The_Russian said:
not following profiles.

? The Beech has only one profile: Barber Pole.


Anyway, flyinlears, I wouldn't get any haeartburn over this. There's only a 10-20% chance he'll be hired at Southwest anyway. If he sneezes wrong he's lost the job, so if he's the jackhole you say he is, there's no problem.
 
flynlears13 said:
Lear Wanna Be: I may not be smart enough .......... Are you one of those First Officers that I am talking about?

Uh, NO. Guess you can't read too well either. It says "left seater" right above the 8,000 hours. I'm a 747-400, A380, F/A-18F wanna be also. You got something to say about that as well. Do you not dare to dream about flying something different?

I have to wonder what kind of airline you work for? Why is the training so deficient? Otherwise, how else would this guy slip through multiple checkrides having the problems you stated above. Judging by your previous 6 posts before this thread, you don't fly for a traditional airline. What is the problem? They don't like to spend money on training over there? Are you perhaps the director of training. Perhaps the problem is you my friend. Might explain why you are still with such a scumbag operator.

Your attack on this guy goes way above just a CA/FO conflict. This is personal for you. Why don't you explain it to us, perhaps then we can be empathetic to your situation.
 
Guitar rocker: You are about the only other one that has made a competent message. I cannot believe some of the others comments and name calling.....some pilots really are professional aren't they?


To the rest of you:
For the record, I am perfectly happy who I am flying for and what aircraft I am captain of with my seniority level. Right now at my pay and seniority, if I wanted to get on with Southwest, I would be downgrading....that is unless my company goes broke! Another thing, I never have applied to work for Southwest.

There is a huge factor to why I am willing to go out of my way; I would never want my kids or myself riding in the back of the aircraft while he is flying. Safety is a major issue here along with attitude. Attitude meaning he is not willing to learn aspects of the aircraft (systems, memory items, etc.). Obviously, just because one has a type doesn't mean a thing as the guy(who I am talking about) has a type in a Learjet....how did he get that?
As I had said before to all of you, COMPANIES DO NOT MAKE PEOPLE RESIGN BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD AND SAFE PILOTS! The company that we both worked for made him resign because of his unsafe manner. I spent many hours with this guy while he was a co-captain (has his type rating and was working on being a captain, he came to the company with his type that he bought). Our chief pilot and other captains spent many hours flying with this guy while he was a co-captain….hell this guy racked up more that 500 hours as a co-captain. Why the hell do you think he never made it captain with our company?

I am sitting here realizing how messed up some of you actually are…The information that I am gathering is that you would sit your family on an aircraft with incompetent pilots, put them at risk...maybe death? But yet, you only felt that it was fair to let this guy fly because he put in his time as a pilot. Don’t ask to lean on my shoulder when that happens, I am the one trying to warn you!

Obviously, Southwest did not weed him out in the interview process because he did get past that. A major reason I was trying to find out information regarding this is because my old Chief Pilot (who is still chief pilot at the company I worked for in the past) called me to tell me about the circumstances on this guy. My old company has not been contacted at all by Southwest about this guy and asked if he worked for them. My old Chief Pilot and I wonder if the guy did not tell the truth on his application and never inserted that he worked at the company knowing if asked “Would you re-hire this guy, the answer is no.” The only other thing that I can fathom is that he has jumped from company to company(as he has problems at all of them) that he just forgot to list my former employer? Is this ethical on his part? Does everyone lie on applications nowadays?
If I would have known it was a regional airline that he applied for and my past employer was not notified, I would have done the same as if it was Southwest.
But since you all don’t give a ******************** about your own family members, I guess I will sit back and do nothing at all. Maybe it could be your family that sits in the back of the aircraft while he is flying up front and is providing that risk.

Aerodork: Obviously you are young (no offense)……If you look at past hiring trends when the majors were not hiring, some people had to wait til 10,000-12,000 hours in order to get hired. You are lucky at timing it right. I think you took it wrong on what I meant by that(level of flying that I am at)….what I was summing up in shorter sentence is I have a lot of flying experience behind me as a captain of a major airline. I had no intention of making it sound like I am better than anyone. I am just an ordinary pilot that works for an airline, but I have more experience as a pilot than some. Hell, you probably can out fly me as I am lazy and use autopilot all the time!
 

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