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[Guitar rocker]

I hope you're anal raped by a rabid horse.

CE

Wow! That would be something. Anyway, it's pretty low to rat someone out like this. Let SWA make that determination and you just keep your pie hole shut for the time being. Watch out for horses in the meantime I guess.

 

[coloneldan]

I take it most of you guys are FOs??? Have you never heard of a company checking you out with your former employers? They do, you know. At least the ones with more than one or two airplanes.

It is true that most companies won't give a written report on your employment history, because of the libel aspect. However, there is a code question prospective employers ALWAYS ask of your previous employers.

Would you hire this person again?

If they say no, the chances are slim and none that you will get hired.

I do agree that flynlears would be opening himself up to a suit if that guy found out. That is why you won't get a written employment history from anyone. That's the reason for the code question. There's nothing in writing why you get turned down and no one to file against. This information comes from a friend who was in the personel department at a major carrier.

In short, if you're the guy who is the pain in the neck FO, making flynlears not blackball you isn't going to help.

 

[flatspin7]

Two things...

1.What goes around comes around... Don't curse a guy... it could be very bad JuJu for you later. If a company comes to you looking for info then have have a chance to speak the truth, but be diplomatic... Just in case you ever want to get hired over there.

2. If the guy really is an A-hole I am sure SWAs interview board will hash it out. It is not an easy thing to do to get hired over there. SWA, CAL and FedEx have thier picks of the pilot litter right now, so if anyone at SWA has any doubt he will not be hired. Not when they have more apps than they know what to do with on file.

 

[Guitar rocker]

I take it most of you guys are FOs??? Have you never heard of a company checking you out with your former employers? They do, you know. At least the ones with more than one or two airplanes.

It is true that most companies won't give a written report on your employment history, because of the libel aspect. However, there is a code question prospective employers ALWAYS ask of your previous employers.

Would you hire this person again?

If they say no, the chances are slim and none that you will get hired.

I do agree that flynlears would be opening himself up to a suit if that guy found out. That is why you won't get a written employment history from anyone. That's the reason for the code question. There's nothing in writing why you get turned down and no one to file against. This information comes from a friend who was in the personel department at a major carrier.

In short, if you're the guy who is the pain in the neck FO, making flynlears not blackball you isn't going to help.

Dan, why are we all FO's???

My impression was that a company interested in hiring a candidate verifies employment at previous companies. I think that even if I had an employee with a bad record (say he/she was late all the time), there is no need to rat someone out for that. As a matter of fact, for liability reasons, pleading the 5th is the way to go. But the original post is a guy who wants to go out of his way to rat someone out and that is unaccpetable.

An interview board should be able to figure out a few things about an individual....that and his/her drivers record and FAA records can allow that interview board to read between the lines as well.

 

[minitour]

I take it most of you guys are FOs???

Depends.....which plane?

When I hire someone I don't ask the "would you rehire" question. I know lots of former employers that are scum-bags. (the word I really wanted to use was censored...started with a "D" ended with an "ooshe") Usually I can tell from other questions that have nothing to do with the person at all, what kind of employee they are.

"What were his/her duties?"
"How long was he/she there?"
"Did you have any problems with tardiness/absenteeism?"

There's about 20 questions I ask former employers in about a minute and a half that can solve all of those problems for me...no need to have former co-workers calling up to tell me who and who not to hire.

-mini

 

[xcrew]

If you keep your mouth shut, maybe he'll get hired and you won't have to fly with him again. Or would you rather rat him out and be stuck with him?


xcrewdoggie

 

[coloneldan]

There were so many guys blasting flynlears it just sounded to me like they were FO's trying to not get ratted on. If I stepped on any "captain's" toes, I'm sorry.

I suppose I shouldn't have said prospective employers ALWAYS ask if you would be rehired. I do know for a fact that one major ALWAYS asks that question for the reason stated. I've heard of it being used in several other places. I've used it a few times myself, as well as many of the questions mentioned above. And yes, sometimes you can find out a lot about the former employer too.

I never said I agreed with what flynlears wants to do. I was making a comment to everybody that immediately wanted to lynch him.

I think I need to get a life and stop fooling around on this board. There's too many 5 year olds here.

 

[flynlears13]

As I sit here and laugh at some of your responses, I realize how messed up some of you First Officers really are! First of all, jumping to conclusions isn’t the smartest thing to do in the cockpit and real world. Most of you are jumping to conclusions and assuming I am just an as?hole out to get someone. Not one of you asked for a reason why I would be going out of my way to do this. Safety could be a factor!

It doesn’t bother me of the immature names and the rude comments that you are creating. What bothers me is having a first officer (co-captain, or captain) sitting beside me that has no clue what to do in an emergency situation (Memory items). Would you like to be sitting in the back of a B737 with a guy in the cockpit that has no clue on what to do in an emergency situation? Not only having a first officer sitting beside you that is clueless, but also has an attitude problem is worse!
Many times I asked myself maybe it was the captain (me) that was the problem. But after talking with other people that worked and works with this guy, I realized it wasn’t me that was the problem. Companies don’t make their employees resign because of being great employees!
I sit and chuckle as most of you FO’s out there will realize what I am talking about once you get to the level of flying that I am at. Don’t come to me and bitch about an FO because of his attitude, do something about it! I am being criticized for doing something about it.

Coloneldan: I have to agree with you, I too should be out doing something else besides posting something on this list.

Lear Wanna Be: I may not be smart enough to add this thread to the majors list, but at 8000 hours, I was flying as a captain in lears….not trying to be a wanna be. Are you one of those First Officers that I am talking about?

Before I finish this I would like to enlighten ALL of YOU:

WHY WOULD SOUTHWEST HAVE THIS BLACKLIST (comment sheet) FOR NEW HIRE CANDIDATES?

They don’t have it posted to waste time…..they do it to weed out all of the a??holes.

Although Southwest Airlines are competition to us, I do have to say that they do have good respectable employees and could this blacklist be the reasoning?


To all of you that are sending me your positive comments and the information via private message, I appreciate that. I understand why you would not post anything as you would get blasted like I did. Hats off to you and if you are looking to fly an Airbus...give me a shout!

 

[flynlears13]

Also for the record.....I do not work with this guy anymore.

 

[The_Russian]

Well....

If it is a safety issue then do it. It is anyones RESPONSIBILITY as a crewmember to report unsafe actions of another pilot. I have reported many a pilot at many different jobs I have had. It is required of you to no longer allow someone to be in the front of an aircraft that is unsafe. Ask yourself, would you let your family fly with this guy in the cockpit? That is enough for me. I am not proud to sign a fellow pilots death warrant. However, it is a professional responsibility that I have as a Captain and a pilot. Especially since most of us fly 121.

The other side of the story is that maybe you just dont get along with the guy. Well, thats your problem then. No one should rat out someone for behavioral bs or if you dont get along. No one should be blacklisted for anything that happens outside the cockpit and the business that pertains to it.

We all have a responsibility to our peers to act professionally at all times. We have to be able to do the job. The day you can't do the job is the day you need to step away from this business. If you don't step down on your own someone may help you out with it.

Just my .02c