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[Guitar rocker]

Well....

I have reported many a pilot at many different jobs I have had.
Just my .02c

Wow, sounds like you have had to report quite a few. You fly at UAL by any chance? Especially when all the hiring was going on? If so, I can see why you would have to skip the pro-stds and go right to mgmt...

 

[The_Russian]

Wow, sounds like you have had to report quite a few. You fly at UAL by any chance? Especially when all the hiring was going on? If so, I can see why you would have to skip the pro-stds and go right to mgmt...

No, I work at a small regional. Here there is a lot of excessive hiring going on. I report people who operate my aircraft in an unsafe way. For example, exceeding limitations of the aircraft or not following profiles. Now, for me to say something to Pro Stands or Mgmt it would have to be actions that are repeated over and over again. Like some guy who won't listen when you try to explain why you shouldn't overtemp the turbines. Or a guy who can't land the Beech and hes got 1200 hours under his belt. You can just tell the guys who will never make it. Or the guys who just shouldn't be there. Gotta get rid of 'em before they get someone killed.

 

[Cardinal]

not following profiles.

? The Beech has only one profile: Barber Pole.


Anyway, flyinlears, I wouldn't get any haeartburn over this. There's only a 10-20% chance he'll be hired at Southwest anyway. If he sneezes wrong he's lost the job, so if he's the jackhole you say he is, there's no problem.

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

Lear Wanna Be: I may not be smart enough .......... Are you one of those First Officers that I am talking about?

Uh, NO. Guess you can't read too well either. It says "left seater" right above the 8,000 hours. I'm a 747-400, A380, F/A-18F wanna be also. You got something to say about that as well. Do you not dare to dream about flying something different?

I have to wonder what kind of airline you work for? Why is the training so deficient? Otherwise, how else would this guy slip through multiple checkrides having the problems you stated above. Judging by your previous 6 posts before this thread, you don't fly for a traditional airline. What is the problem? They don't like to spend money on training over there? Are you perhaps the director of training. Perhaps the problem is you my friend. Might explain why you are still with such a scumbag operator.

Your attack on this guy goes way above just a CA/FO conflict. This is personal for you. Why don't you explain it to us, perhaps then we can be empathetic to your situation.

 

[flynlears13]

Guitar rocker: You are about the only other one that has made a competent message. I cannot believe some of the others comments and name calling.....some pilots really are professional aren't they?


To the rest of you:
For the record, I am perfectly happy who I am flying for and what aircraft I am captain of with my seniority level. Right now at my pay and seniority, if I wanted to get on with Southwest, I would be downgrading....that is unless my company goes broke! Another thing, I never have applied to work for Southwest.

There is a huge factor to why I am willing to go out of my way; I would never want my kids or myself riding in the back of the aircraft while he is flying. Safety is a major issue here along with attitude. Attitude meaning he is not willing to learn aspects of the aircraft (systems, memory items, etc.). Obviously, just because one has a type doesn't mean a thing as the guy(who I am talking about) has a type in a Learjet....how did he get that?
As I had said before to all of you, COMPANIES DO NOT MAKE PEOPLE RESIGN BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD AND SAFE PILOTS! The company that we both worked for made him resign because of his unsafe manner. I spent many hours with this guy while he was a co-captain (has his type rating and was working on being a captain, he came to the company with his type that he bought). Our chief pilot and other captains spent many hours flying with this guy while he was a co-captain….hell this guy racked up more that 500 hours as a co-captain. Why the hell do you think he never made it captain with our company?

I am sitting here realizing how messed up some of you actually are…The information that I am gathering is that you would sit your family on an aircraft with incompetent pilots, put them at risk...maybe death? But yet, you only felt that it was fair to let this guy fly because he put in his time as a pilot. Don’t ask to lean on my shoulder when that happens, I am the one trying to warn you!

Obviously, Southwest did not weed him out in the interview process because he did get past that. A major reason I was trying to find out information regarding this is because my old Chief Pilot (who is still chief pilot at the company I worked for in the past) called me to tell me about the circumstances on this guy. My old company has not been contacted at all by Southwest about this guy and asked if he worked for them. My old Chief Pilot and I wonder if the guy did not tell the truth on his application and never inserted that he worked at the company knowing if asked “Would you re-hire this guy, the answer is no.” The only other thing that I can fathom is that he has jumped from company to company(as he has problems at all of them) that he just forgot to list my former employer? Is this ethical on his part? Does everyone lie on applications nowadays?
If I would have known it was a regional airline that he applied for and my past employer was not notified, I would have done the same as if it was Southwest.
But since you all don’t give a ******************** about your own family members, I guess I will sit back and do nothing at all. Maybe it could be your family that sits in the back of the aircraft while he is flying up front and is providing that risk.

Aerodork: Obviously you are young (no offense)……If you look at past hiring trends when the majors were not hiring, some people had to wait til 10,000-12,000 hours in order to get hired. You are lucky at timing it right. I think you took it wrong on what I meant by that(level of flying that I am at)….what I was summing up in shorter sentence is I have a lot of flying experience behind me as a captain of a major airline. I had no intention of making it sound like I am better than anyone. I am just an ordinary pilot that works for an airline, but I have more experience as a pilot than some. Hell, you probably can out fly me as I am lazy and use autopilot all the time!

 

[flynlears13]

Uh, NO. Guess you can't read too well either. It says "left seater" right above the 8,000 hours. I'm a 747-400, A380, F/A-18F wanna be also.

Left seater in a Cessna 172?

 

[AeroDork]

Aerodork: Obviously you are young (no offense)……If you look at past hiring trends when the majors were not hiring, some people had to wait til 10,000-12,000 hours in order to get hired. You are lucky at timing it right. I think you took it wrong on what I meant by that(level of flying that I am at)….what I was summing up in shorter sentence is I have a lot of flying experience behind me as a captain of a major airline. I had no intention of making it sound like I am better than anyone. I am just an ordinary pilot that works for an airline, but I have more experience as a pilot than some. Hell, you probably can out fly me as I am lazy and use autopilot all the time!

Understood. I'm no spring chicken myself, although I'm sure I'm not as old as you. I'm sure we've all flown with someone who got a type in something because FSI will give you a type as long as the check clears and I'm the last person you'll hear claim I can fly circles around anyone. But there are classier ways of going about this than openly coming on a forum and proclaiming "there's someone I need to make sure doesn't get hired by SWA. Someone help me figure out how to blackball this guy".

 

[Guitar rocker]

Flynlears, your right that hey, some people can get a Santa Clause and pass a type anywhere (perhaps rare, but it can happen). Dont get me wrong, because I aint no Wright Brother either, but you know what is sad......that there are people who dont do so well in training and it's the company itself that tries to push them through (perhaps to avoid a law suit for example) and in the end, nobodys outside opinion means jack. I guess in some cases being politically correct and the threat of a law suit is what over rides safety sometimes.....I've heard the stroies from a check airman from a certain airline where that was rampant as I am sure that we all have. Sad but true.

In the end, when we buy an airline ticket, we just might have one of those folks that were talking about sitting up front.

 

[flynlears13]

Understood. I'm no spring chicken myself, although I'm sure I'm not as old as you. I'm sure we've all flown with someone who got a type in something because FSI will give you a type as long as the check clears and I'm the last person you'll hear claim I can fly circles around anyone. But there are classier ways of going about this than openly coming on a forum and proclaiming "there's someone I need to make sure doesn't get hired by SWA. Someone help me figure out how to blackball this guy".

I realize now that I went about the original posting the wrong way and that so many pilots out there are narrow minded(I am sure I will get slammed for saying this too!). I guess some people don't keep an open mind and jump to conclusions.

Sad but true about FSI and the check clearing thing. It seems as if anyone could get a type rating these days.

One of the issues that bothers me and my old chief pilot is the fact that he apparently did not put on the application that he was employed with my past employer.

Whatever the case, I did get my information from several other pilots that agree with me. Your input was appreciated!

 

[falconvalley]

Have you considering calling the airline yourself? If you have and they ignore you...well that's that. I don't know why you're telling us about this. What are we gonna do about it?

If I read your posts correctly, I would want to steer well clear of you. Bad FO experience or not, you don't seem like a very nice person. There's this this thing we like to call a "paper trail". It's virtually required these days to fire someone and is a smart move if you really believe someone is unsafe and want to avoid a lawsuit. Have you considered seeing a doctor?