Sully Sullenberger!

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Why would he mention the FO? Didn't he immediately take control, keep talking on the radio and not run checklists?

Who needs an FO?
 

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Listen to the transcript. The FO was busier than Sully doing checklists and trying to restart. It was a two man operation all the way. Of course he took control because he was the captain and needed the FO to try to restart plus the alternative landing spots in the left turn were on his side. Sully never took anything away from his FO and the crew in back. He needed to make a visual assesment of what to do and couldn't read a checklist at the same time.
 

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Listen to the transcript. The FO was busier than Sully doing checklists and trying to restart. It was a two man operation all the way. Of course he took control because he was the captain and needed the FO to try to restart plus the alternative landing spots in the left turn were on his side. Sully never took anything away from his FO and the crew in back. He needed to make a visual assesment of what to do and couldn't read a checklist at the same time.
and sully had thousands of hours in the 320 while skiles was just off IOE on it....coming off all those years in early model 737's he was probably still thinking what the hell are all these buttons for haha
 

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Listen to the transcript. The FO was busier than Sully doing checklists and trying to restart. It was a two man operation all the way. Of course he took control because he was the captain and needed the FO to try to restart plus the alternative landing spots in the left turn were on his side. Sully never took anything away from his FO and the crew in back. He needed to make a visual assesment of what to do and couldn't read a checklist at the same time.
Well- I have seen "sully" in a LOT of interviews.. I don't think I ever saw him give any credit to anyone else...

Just keep in mind that good 'ol Sully owns a safety consulting firm... He sure wouldn't want anyone to upstage him-heck that could be bad for business.
 

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crj- Sully on multiple occassions stopped interviewers questions and tried to deflect it off of himself.... specifically pointing out that there are 2 pilots in the cockpit and multiple crewmembers in the back as well.

The media is like a bunch of lemmings and just want a story and a hero or villain.
 

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I flew a jet with the autothrottles mel'd and the F/O did not back me up one time...&uck em...Captain is the man!!
 

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Union-trained my a$$!

Notice he didn't mention the in-union fighting at USAir.

It's labor commentary.
 

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Was the ditching PB ever pushed? Heard both ways so far, probably wouldn't matter when the rear door was opened by a "passenger", according to the rear F/A
 

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Did Sully tell the court this:

Unbiased Facts - #17
June 24, 2009

US Airways East Union Merger Committee Report(s) on the Upgrade
Delay and Economic Loss Due to the Nicolau Award

Who US Airways ALPA and USAPA Merger Committees, MEC, and BPR

What The East Merger Committee Hired Airline merger Market
Analyst/Consultant Rikk Salamat to conduct and provide an
economic analysis of the Nicolau Award to the East pilot group union
leadership.

When Spring 2007

Where Toronto, Canada

Why The Merger Committee requested an expert consultant’s opinion to
provide a public report to the ALPA Executive Council in an attempt
to have the Nicolau Award vacated.

How Not only did the consultant provide a public report he provided a
private report that has been hidden from the pilot group by ALPA
and now USAPA. This report is very revealing and provides economic
loss information, if any, for each East pilot.

Fact #1 The US Airways East ALPA East Merger Committee hired Rikk
Salamatt to provide seniority integration consultant services.

For more information on Rikk Salamat’s background and experience take
a look at his profile:

http://www.linkedin.com/in/rikks

Salamat has been used by several airline union Merger Committees to
provide factual data on the effects of a seniority integration including the
recently concluded Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airline’s pilot
integrations.

Fact #2 US Airways ALPA MEC Presentation to ALPA Executive Council
(EC) - May 21, 2007

For more information on the public material contained in Rikk Salamat’s
analysis of the Nicolau Award’s effects on Captain Upgrade and financial
effects on the East pilot group take a look MEC’s presentation to the EC
on May 21, 2007:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAAMergerCommitteeToECMay2007.pdf
Fact #3 The Salamat Report Excel Spreadsheet on pages 11 through 17 of the
US Airways ALPA MEC Presentation to ALPA Executive Council
(EC) - May 21, 2007 provides Narrowbody and Widebody Captain
Expectancy Data for the Combined East and West pilots with Pre-
merger, Merged, and Impact Data.

For more information on the report:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAAMergerCommitteeToECMay2007.pdf

Fact #4 The Salamat Report Extract concludes 80 out of 136 East First
Officers from combined seniority numbers 4409 to 4768 were never
going to upgrade to Narrowbody Captain pre-merger or that the
Nicolau award had no effect on their career expectation. The non-
public version of the Salamat Report that the ALPA MEC and
USAPA BPR have not released to the pilot group is even more
revealing in that several hundred East pilots would never have
upgraded to Captain based on an age 60 retirement and that
“Narrowbody First Officer” was their career expectation and remains
their career expectation.

For more information on the report:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAAMergerCommitteeToECMay2007.pdf

Fact #5 The lowest seniority East active pilot when the merger was announced
with uninterrupted continuous service is Joe Monda, combined
seniority number 4768. The Salamat Report concluded that pre-
merger Monda would never upgrade to Narrowbody Captain and
would retire at age 60 as a First Officer and the Nicolau Award did
not effect his pre-merger Narrowbody Upgrade Career Expectation.

For more information on Monda’s position look at the 6 page of the
spreadsheet:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAAMergerCommitteeToECMay2007.pdf

Fact #6 The Salamat Report states the lowest seniority East active pilot when
the merger was announced with uninterrupted continuous service
who could have upgraded to Narrowbody Captain pre-merger is Jim
Ziegler, combined seniority number 4764.

The Salamat Report indicates pre-merger Ziegler’s expectation for
upgrade to Narrowbody Captain was 2015 and the Nicolau Award would
delay his upgrade to 2017 (worst case scenario is two years).

For more information on Ziegler’s position look at page 17 of the report:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAAMergerCommitteeToECMay2007.pdf

Fact #7 The Salamat Report indicates the Average pre-merger to merged East
First Officer Narrowbody Captain Upgrade was delayed about 22
months.

For more information on the report:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAAMergerCommitteeToECMay2007.pdf

Fact #8 Joint Negotiations - Spring 2007

In early 2007 US Airways provided the ALPA Joint Negotiating
Committee (JNC) their joint contract pay rate increase opening offer. This
was called the Kirby Proposal and provided East pilots a 17% and West
pilots a 3% pay raise along with the same percent increase for DC Plan
retirement contributions.

Fact #9 Leonidas Update - May 8, 2009

"Captain (Jack) Stephan did recall a conversation he had with company
negotiators that the company would be amenable to a 7-10% pay increase
(beyond the Kirby Proposal) for everyone in order to get a joint contract."

Fact #10 Current East Narrowbody First Officer Group II pay is about $85 per
hour.

Fact #11 The monthly gross pay for an East Narrowbody Group II First
Officer who flies 90 hours per month is approximately $7,650 per
month.

Fact #12 Current East Narrowbody Group II Captain pay is about $125 per
hour.

Fact #13 The monthly gross pay for an East Narrowbody Group II Captain at
76 hours per month short call guarantee is approximately $9,500 per
month.

Fact #14 Per Jack Stephan’s testimony under oath at the Addington trial the
US Airways East pilots could have obtained a 27% pay increase
during contract negotiations.

Unbiased Facts previously reported in an article regarding Mounting
Financial Loses that East Narrowbody First Officer’s are losing about
$2,277 (monthly) per former ALPA MEC Chairman Jack Stephan’s sworn
testimony at the Addington trial.

For more information on Mounting East Pilot pay Losses due to current
new contract negotiations that are at a stalemate due to the seniority
integration litigation look here:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/unrecoverablelossesJune2009Update.pdf


Fact #15 The Nicolau Award was released to both MEC’s on May 3, 2007 or
about twenty-five months ago.

If the Joint Negotiating Committee had reached a new contract agreement
in May 2007 that implemented the Nicolau Award Jim Ziegler and every
pilot senior to him would have earned more than $57,000 in pay and
retirement benefits than he has today.


Conclusion The Salamat Report indicates the worst case scenario for an East active
pilot is a two year Narrowody Captain upgrade delay.

The cumulative East pilot pay loses from May 3, 2007 through June 1,
2009 are listed in the table below with exact details on how these figures
were derived contained in the link below the table.

Cumulative Financial Loses for East and West pilots Effective June 1,
2009

Pilot Group Captain First Officer
US Airways East $84,150 $56,925
US Airways West $42,078 $34,650

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/unrecoverablelossesJune2009Update.pdf


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Unbiased Facts Article 17, 2009
 

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With both engines inop, only the CA has his PFD/ND - thats why he took over.
 

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Does USAPA get 1.95% of his 3 million dollar book deal?
 
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