Sully on the Daily Show.

[becket]

You are way off target.

Sully is doing good things for this profession.

ALPO should take note.

The Daily Show With Jon Stewert Oct 13.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/101960/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-tue-oct-13-2009

Sully is well spoken and he gave a great interview.

1. I'm not off target at all, read the transcripts...their lies, (under oath) are crystal clear and quickly brought out in cross examination.

2. Sully's interview qualities are irrelevant to his integrity...imo, he has none. He tried to swoon a jury with his fame and wax poetic about the meaning of integrity using some made up, decades old story about his kid. The ironic part is that using his OWN story, he painted himself to be a huge hypocrite in front of the Jury. A fact lost on no one in the court room. USAPA was convicted in under 90 minutes. I guess I wasn't the only one unimpressed with our hero.

 

[MCDU]

becket.
Just talked to one of your former Capt. that you flew with at Metrojet. Remember that.
You pulled gear for a guy that you are now senior to on the Nic. Scott was a late 88 hire and is now junior to you on the Nic. I told him that you got hired at AWA in 2005. He did not seem very amused. He said you are probably the worst pilot he has ever seen and was visibily pissed when I brought up your name.

M

 

[becket]

becket.
Just talked to one of your former Capt. that you flew with at Metrojet. Remember that.
You pulled gear for a guy that you are now senior to on the Nic. Scott was a late 88 hire and is now junior to you on the Nic. I told him that you got hired at AWA in 2005. He did not seem very amused. He said you are probably the worst pilot he has ever seen and was visibily pissed when I brought up your name.

M

Sorry MCdoodle. Most of your stated facts couldn't be any further from the truth...except the fact that I'm no chuck yeager. That part is mostly true so no argument here. I know you like to "out" people...it makes you feel like some kind of clandestine tough guy I guess...but as far as I'm concerned, well, keep your day job inspector Tracy you have no idea who I am.

Also, why don't you and your imaginary friend, "scott" go take a tour of the Mojave Desert Airport. There you'll find the rotting remains of your history, hundreds upon hundreds of old us air airframes, the entire metrojet fleet, and a visual reminder of exactly what a 1988 hires career was worth when the PID was established. I know facts and reality are as repellent to you as sunshine is to a vampire, but it doesn't make facts any less true, or reality any less real.

Check out www.airliners.net. there you will be able to take a virtual tour of the grave site of us airways. That way you won't have to use any of your taco bell vacation time to go pay a visit in person. Say hi to "Scott" for me!!

 

[ableone]

Quote:Former east furloghees are now working while pilots who brought a job to the merger are now on the street. Quite a windfall for the east pilots.

The east wanted a list that recaptured all that they had lost in previous bankruptcies by stealing from the west pilots. "Yes let's make furloughed east pilots senior to west captains, that's fair and equitable - to the east furloughees."


You ever hear of conditions and restrictions that protects your job and position?

Yes I have, and the conditions and restrictions were a joke. "In the event of a RIF any furloughee recalled within twelve months of the RIF will be re-furloughed. However after twelve months have elapsed DOH will determine furlough status."

That is a lot of protection - for east furloughees. Twelve months after recall a line holding captain on the west would have to face furlough before an east pilot, who was on the street during the merger, would have to be re-furloughed. Certainly not a windfall.

I hate to break it to you. But the former East pilots that were on furlough replaced East jobs. Jobs they brought to the merger. East was retiring 350 a year til 65 happened 2 years ago. Those jobs did not belong to the west. All furloughed pilots had a chance to go back prior to the Nic award.

No they replaced west jobs. As for the much vaunted "attrition" brought to the merger by the east - quite a lot of this attrition was coming from retiring FOs, not captains. This attrition offered no upgrade opportunities.

East is down to min. fleet (202 from 400+) and the 190's looks like they are going away. The jobs the furloughed East pilots have are due to East positions being vacated. Get it. Probably not. AWA pilots did not need college to get hired? That explains alot.

The west has shrunk from its pre merger size to its minimum fleet count as well.

As for the 190s it was the foresight of the west pilots that brought these aircraft on property in the first place. The east pilots had long ago sold out their scope but the west had specifically carved out the 190 as a mainline aircraft.

If not for the west, no east pilot would have ever had the chance to fly a 190, they would have been operated by a fee per departure operator had it been left up to the east group.

The only reason any east pilot was ever recalled was due to the merger.

M

You are a sad child. Is it your daddy who works for USAir?

 

[MCDU]

DOH will determine furlough status?
Whats wrong with that? Even Empire pilots had that and other C and R when they merged with Piedmont. Those are core Union principles. But greed and entitlement is what Westies want. The PFT mentality at Mesa Grande is what drives their values.

The West has not come close to the shrinkage the East has experienced. The only other pilot group that has been screwed worse is Midwest Exp. TWA another hose job

The West shrunk? They had to. That is because the West expanded when about every other legacy airline furloughed pilots in early 2003. Just look how all the hiring at ATA worked out for their pilots. Guess what. You would be furloughing like you did in 2001 and probably would have gone out of business. Straight from the mouth of your CEO.

M

 

[ableone]

DOH will determine furlough status?
Whats wrong with that? Even Empire pilots had that and other C and R when they merged with Piedmont. Those are core Union principles. But greed and entitlement is what Westies want. The PFT mentality at Mesa Grande is what drives their values.

At least you are consistent. You see nothing wrong with a furloughee and a line holding captain exchanging places. This is somehow not a windfall for the furloghee in your twisted view.

The west captain who is not interested in trading places with the furloghed F.O suffers from greed and entitlement in your world view. Truly you are warped.

The West has not come close to the shrinkage the East has experienced. The only other pilot group that has been screwed worse is Midwest Exp. TWA another hose job

After the merger the east grew and the west shrank. The east has now shrunk, but not down to their pre merger size.

Yes, yes the east are perennially screwed by everybody through no fault of their own, they are professional victims.

The West shrunk? They had to. That is because the West expanded when about every other legacy airline furloughed pilots in early 2003. Just look how all the hiring at ATA worked out for their pilots.

Oh, I see. Any airline that has the temerity to grow, when USAir is shrinking, is just wrong and confused. AWA should have been shrinking - never-mind that they were profitable in the years leading up to their acquisition of USAirways.

Guess what. You would be furloughing like you did in 2001 and probably would have gone out of business. Straight from the mouth of your CEO.

Yes, another quote twisted horribly out of context. While USAirways faced certain liquidation, absent the merger, Parker stated that eventually AWA may well have had to face chapter 11, had they not been able to merge with anyone else or otherwise change shape.

This is a far cry from USAirways pre-merger condition. AWA was still profitable and would no doubt have moved on to a third or fourth merger target. USAirways would have been roadkill long before AWA faced a bankruptcy court judge, however.

M

So, what is your USAir connection? You probably still live at home and are exposed to a stream of consienceness of bitter victimhood from you east pilot father.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You are way off target.

Sully is doing good things for this profession.

ALPO should take note.

The Daily Show With Jon Stewert Oct 13.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/101960/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-tue-oct-13-2009

Sully is well spoken and he gave a great interview.

Wow... got that ALPA jab in there....


Shold ALPA control geese and fly them into engines... only to have control over a USAPA pilot landing safely on water?

Did ALPA conspire to put pilots on food stamps, lessening thier dues intake?


Did ALPA aka The Man, put pilots on slave wages and house them in crashpads?


Does The Man, force pilots to fly fatigue threatening them with job action?

 

[MCDU]

Dude. At least try to spell correctly.

M

 

[Mikes Apartment]

Skiles really won me by executing a flawless take down of that Riddle Prof at the House hearings a few weeks ago. .

What happened?

 

[ableone]

Dude. At least try to spell correctly.

M

You try but don't always succeed.

When it comes to making a cogent argument - you fail every single time.

 

[sleeves]

Sully and Jeff are the only good thing to happen to this profession in over a decade. Kudos to John Stuart for bringing up pilot pay.

 

[Metrojet]

Sully and Skiles BOTH Perjured themselves on the stand in Federal Court in an effort to advance USAPAs Illegal, malevolent campaign to steal the careers of the West pilots. I have no respect for either.

If your going to slander someone, would you mind giving supporting evidence or examlpes to support your accusations.


Metrojet

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Sully and Jeff are the only good thing to happen to this profession in over a decade. Kudos to John Stuart for bringing up pilot pay.

It is unfortunate that we are so powerless that we have to wait around for the right guys to happen to have a successful crash landing and have the emotional and social skills to represent the profession....

After the Sullytonian era wears off, how long do you think we'll have to wait for two polished speakers to successfully crash a jet..... it seems the time between management can crush the profession all over again....

 

[kf4amu]

As for the 190s it was the foresight of the west pilots that brought these aircraft on property in the first place. The east pilots had long ago sold out their scope but the west had specifically carved out the 190 as a mainline aircraft.

I'm sure I'm stepping in some ******************** here, but I've been told the mainline jets (900s) flown by Mesa for 23 bucks an hour are under the America West contract, not the East contract.

 

[becket]

If your going to slander someone, would you mind giving supporting evidence or examlpes to support your accusations.


Metrojet

No Problem. Skiles, very matter of factly, said that if the nicolau award was ever implemented he would NEVER be able to upgrade to captain. In CROSS examination, it was pointed out to Skiles that in fact, AT THAT MOMENT, Skiles could hold captain in LGA and PHL but he chose not to.

Skiles replied: "that's reserve, i don't want to sit reserve"

He failed to qualify his answer to the jury. Skiles said he's NEVER be able to upgrade...he lied. He was easily caught in that lie. By the way he stammered in cross examination he obviously knew he was caught.

Sully made up a story about the definition of integrity. By his own definition, he was saying he had none. Lies come in different forms but under oath, all lies are perjury. Both of them are liars. Read the transcripts. It's all there.