stupid things i see at the airport

[Flying Illini]

KickSave,
If the winds favor rwy 9 and three are in the pattern for 27 I would still take rwy 9 b/c it's the safest option. Too bad if it's an inconvenience for the three in the pattern. Now if the winds favor 27 but the pilot decides to land on 9 inconveniencing the three safe pilots then he is an a$$hole.

 

[Av8trxx]

Nitpicking.....

I haven't seen this, but I hear it all the time and it drives me crazy. My pet peeve are pilots at uncontrolled fields that begin and finish every transmission with "XYZ TRAFFIC".

What Dorkheimers! Hello??? But isn't "XYZ Traffic" to whom you are making the call and when you finish you simply state the name of the airport?

"Oceanside Traffic, Dorkheimer 1234, 1000ft, entering on a 45 at the water tower for right traffic rwy 23, OCEANSIDE TRAFFIC"

...OK....I feel better now....

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Nitpicking.....

My pet peeve are pilots at uncontrolled fields that begin and finish every transmission with "XYZ TRAFFIC." What Dorkheimers! Hello??? But isn't "XYZ Traffic" to whom you are making the call and when you finish you simply state the name of the airport?

These are the same people who say "Clearance, Citation 123 with information Zulu, on request to Cleveland."

Clearance is supposed to say "on request" to you, not the other way around!

 

[A Squared]

Avi8trxx,

They’re doing that because it’s the correct radio technique for uncontrolled fields. Take a look in your AIM, specifically 4-1-9 g 6. The reason it’s recommended is that the first part of a transmission often is unreadable due to squelch, or just because the pilot wasn’t quick enough on the mic. Button. I can’t count the number of times I’ve been left wondering what airport a traffic call was for because the airport name got clipped, was unreadable, or because my attention was elsewhere and I missed it. Saying it again at the end of the call uses up a mere fraction of a second and it often clears up some ambiguity.

Tarp,

You might also benefit from a review of 4-1-9. Clearing the runway is another recommended call. I agree that any reference to "the active" is incorrect at an uncontrolled field, however the "clearing the runway" call can be nice at times. Let’s say your inbound to an uncontrolled airport that’s reporting 1200 OVC. As you start the approach, you hear VFR traffic call inbound to the same airport. A little while later, you’re coming up on the FAF and you realize you haven’t heard anything further from that airplane. Maybe he was a little lazy with his calls, maybe center stepped on him, maybe you just didn’t hear because you or one of the crew were calling out checklist items ...whatever, you’re wondering where he is. He calls clearing the runway, now you know, he’s not a factor. It doesn’t have to be IFR, I know of other times when coming into the traffic area of an uncontrolled airport, I was less than sure of the position of an airplane I’d heard earlier. A clearing the runway call can be the difference be knowing that he’s on the ground and no factor, and wondering if he did a touch and go and is now on downwind as you’re trying to join downwind. It’s a simple courtesy thing that can be quite helpful.

As for the pattern size; Hey I like a nice close pattern myself, and can’t stand people who fly bomber patterns in a small airplane, but keep it in perspective, you spend the vast majority of your time enroute out of gliding distance from the nearest airport, why does it suddenly become important only when you’re in the pattern? Besides, I think a lot of you are fooling yourselves if you think that you really no $hit lost all power (not just pulled the throttle back to idle) in your engine just after you turned final and put in another notch of flaps you could make the runway.

 

[dmspilot00]

Re: Nitpicking.....

There was already a pet-peeves thread. This is the stupid things seen at airport thread

"Oceanside Traffic, Dorkheimer 1234, 1000ft, entering on a 45 at the water tower for right traffic rwy 23, OCEANSIDE TRAFFIC"

I totally agree with you. "Podunk Traffic, Cessna 123, downwind runway 8. Podunk Traffic!" Could that be any more annoying?

A Squared, he was (probably) referring to appending the word TRAFFIC to the end of the transmission. Say the name of the airport again, yes, you should, but not the word traffic. The name of the airport does not have the word traffic in it. It is akin to saying something like "Detroit approach, Jet 12345 inbound for landing at Detroit approach."

 

[A Squared]

Ooops,

My apologies, I didn't read Av8trxx's post carefully enough, yes I agree, just restate the name of the airport, the extra "traffic" is superfluous. D'oh! reading comprehension!

 

[SquirrelDog]

The word "traffic" is also needed so the aircraft and airport don't think you are talking to "unicom" or sometimes other uses for these frequency's.

"Clearing the active",may be appropiate at times when the sun is setting in the pilot's eye's on final and not sure if the last plane has cleared. Extra safe is better the not safe.

Most of these pet peeves are common occurences in the AIM. Seems that some should review this manual more than surfing on the net. Most of these precedures should of been learned as a Private Student, I blame the BAD instructors.

Squirreldog

 

[A Squared]

"on request" I'll agree with Typhoon on this one, I have to bite my tounge when I hear this.

"clearence on request" is what FSS tells you when you've requested a clearence and they've requested it from ATC. The only time I've heard it from ground or clearence is when something's screwed up and the flight plan isn't in the system.

Asking for your clearence by saying "clearence on request" makes as much sense as asking for your clearence by saying "clearence has been requested" ...that's exactly what "clearence on request" means.

 

[dmspilot00]

umm...Examples in the AIM:

"Strawn traffic, Apache Two Two Five Zulu, (position), (altitude), (descending) or entering downwind/base/final (as appropriate) runway one seven full stop, touch-and-go, Strawn."

"Strawn traffic Apache Two Two Five Zulu clear of runway one seven Strawn."

"Strawn traffic, Queen Air Seven One Five Five Bravo (location on airport) taxiing to runway two six Strawn."

"Strawn traffic, Queen Air Seven One Five Five Bravo departing runway two six. Departing the pattern to the (direction), climbing to altitude Strawn."

"Strawn traffic, Cesnsa Two One Four Three Quebec (position from airport) inbound descending through (altitude) practice (name of approach) approach runway three five Strawn."

"Strawn traffic, Cessna Two One Four Three Quebec practice (type) approach complete or terminated runway three five Strawn."

Not a single one of the examples from the AIM have the word Traffic at the end.

 

[WrightAvia]

heck, don't say anything at all...fly!

There is no way in hell anyone can tell if you said anything at all on CTAF and there is no way in hell to prove that the other guy had the correct radio frequency tuned in either. If they don't like you saying the word "traffic" in your BLIND AIM RECOMENDED call outs...then don't say nothing at all and surprise that sucker when he makes the one eighty at the end of the field after he uses the full length to land and turns around and sees you holding short just behind him on the runway after coming in and landing number two.

 

[Av8trxx]

If they don't like you saying the word "traffic" in your BLIND AIM RECOMENDED call outs...

WrightAvia-It isn't AIM recommended to be redundant:

"Strawn traffic Apache Two Two Five Zulu clear of runway one seven Strawn traffic."

It should be:

"Strawn traffic Apache Two Two Five Zulu clear of runway one seven Strawn."

Not a single one of the examples from the AIM have the word Traffic at the END.

 

[SquirrelDog]

Real airports have towers!

What was the topic of this thread anyway. Oh, it must have been the one that always ends in...and lets get into a stupid argument over ridiculous stuff that no one really cares about.

Squirreldog

Living the Dream

 

[El Bucho]

On CLNC DEL from a Part 121 operator in a jet....
Callsign 123, IFR to XYZ, with alpha....

IFR? Really? cool.

And the time I saw a lady try to put her baby who was asleep in a carseat through the xray machine because the seat had to be xrayed and she didn't want to wake her baby to take it out. That was funny.

 

[FL000]

Real airports have towers!

I disagree. Real airports have no buildings, but a lot of grass.
(click here for an example)

 

[A Squared]

El Bucho,

Call the friendly folks who write the AIM, that's exacly how the call is phrased there. And yeah there is a reason for it. It's so they know whether you're looking for an IFR clearence or you're going to be departing VFR. Most airports big enough to have clearence delivery would kinda like VFR traffic to call clearence so they can issue a squawk and tell approach what to expect. Saves then playing 20 questions OK where are you going? Are you going IFR or VFR? ,and so on. And before you launch into your inevitable diatribe that it's all IFR .... it's not. I fly big planes, ones with 4 engines, for a 121 carrier, from an airport big enough to have all that cool clearence delivery and approach stuff, and guess what? we fly a fair amount of VFR operations, so when I call for a clearence, I tell them whether it's gonna be IFR of VFR today, saves that 20 questions thing. Dont criticize what you don't understand.

FL100, nice looking airport

 

[Typhoon1244]

And the time I saw a lady try to put her baby who was asleep in a carseat through the xray machine because the seat had to be xrayed and she didn't want to wake her baby to take it out. That was funny.

Do you have any children? Believe me, it would be tempting!


(Attention Child Protective Services: I'm just kidding!)

 

[El Bucho]

El Bucho,
Dont criticize what you don't understand.

Easy dude...Our ops specs do not allow us to depart VFR. So it's just funny to hear one of our guys at one of our hubs where everybody knows it's IFR to request it like we would be doing anything but that.

 

[TXCAP4228]

there is a guy at an airport in either Michigan or Indiana that works as janitorial staff or some other capacity at a county managed field and he gets on unicom and clears you to land at the non towered airport.

There's an old guy in Bonham, TX who used to do the thing. WTF?

 

[JimNtexas]

It's a nice Saturday morning at the Georgetown Texas airport, one of the few surviving GA airports in the central Texas area. Two runways, no tower.

The several flight schools have the pattern full of students, squadrons of homebuilts are coming and going, and the odd biz jet shows up from time to time.

A Kitfox ( a tiny single engine taildragger) flies a bomber pattern, and then touches down on the numbers, rolls about 20 feet, and then begins a very slow taxi to the first intersection, 3000 feet beyond his touchdown point!. Several airplanes had to go around because this pilot didn't have the courtesy to land a little long. Grrrrrrrrrrr.

 

[Clownpilot]

Re: Re: Really???

SSgt. Lonnie Wilbanks. When I arrived, they were just transitioning from UH-1H's to UH-60A's.

Now do you have anything else for me, a$$hole? [/B]

Yes, I have one more question for you. Maybe 2.

Did you drill a hole through your bellybutton to see out or were you required to have a tracheotomy to get a gander of the scenery?

Also do you require a colostomy bag since your head is in the way or have they come up with a better system now?

Lets just say while your story may have some basis in truth it was deeply embelished to add to your cool factor... and nobody respects that.

Sounds like maybe the Army was the best place for you.

Consider going back.