Stupid anti-terrorist idea

[ShawnC]

Speaking about the code system, one way you could do it is via pilot assigned codes. Each pilot would insert a ID token of some sort (only removable after landing), and each pilot would have their own code to unlock.

It's more guessable than one time codes, but it's more secure since the pilot would only have to remember one code.

But I think that two in the chest one in the head is a better system for dealing with hijackers.

 

[mar]

Not so stupid, but mine's better...

I don't know why my idea hasn't taken off yet:

I think the cockpit should be sealed off from the main cabin. Completely. On the ground you enter through a separate door. You use a separate lav and a separate galley. There is no access to the main cabin.

Of course this may be a problem for checking the wings for snow and ice before takeoff or looking at the engines and wings during an emergency.

This is where camera's have their place--on the wing, on the fuselage, in the cabin--but out of the cockpit.

Fly safe.

 

[captdawg]

Give Away

MarineGrunt vbmenu_register("postmenu_400433", true);

Your giving yourself away ( 2 & 1 ) Besides, you didn't pay for the bullets

 

[MarineGrunt]

MarineGrunt vbmenu_register("postmenu_400433", true);

Your giving yourself away ( 2 & 1 ) Besides, you didn't pay for the bullets

Ha! They'd never figure my code out!
"So.... the code to the air-sheild is: 'one-two-three-four-five....."

 

[DoinTime]

A non-pilot suggested the following as an anti-hijacking concept. Initially I thought "no way" but there are elements which might work.

A guarded "Hijack" switch is installed into the jet. Upon attempted forced entry, a pilot would press and hold the switch for, say, 4 seconds. When activated, the system would do the following...

1) In all cases the autopilot would engage, and the jet would climb to, or descend to, a safe altitude determined by the FMS for the given topography, i.e. "Level Change" to 10,000' in a wings level manner. It would then continue straight and level until the system is deactivated or the jet runs out of fuel.

2) The autopilot would lock out, and could ONLY be unlocked with a 4 or 6 digit code entered into the FMC.

3) Jet could also use comm systems to alert authorities the system is engaged.

Accidental engagement would be embarrassing, but not dangerous. If the bad guys make it into the seats, they couldn't fly the airplane anywhere. No pilot these days would reveal the code given that death is imminent anyhow.

There are elements to this scheme that might work with transport aircraft w/FMS. The big objection of course is ANY system which potentially could "take control" of the aircraft.

Thoughts?

The autoflight/FMS system would have to be rewired to the DC power system as deselecting the ships AC power would render all of those systems inoperative. Handflying a dark airplane would not that big of a deal in day VFR conditions.

 

[DoinTime]

Ha! They'd never figure my code out!
"So.... the code to the air-sheild is: 'one-two-three-four-five....."

Thats the kind of code an idiot puts on their luggage.

 

[Swede]

The autoflight/FMS system would have to be rewired to the DC power system as deselecting the ships AC power would render all of those systems inoperative. Handflying a dark airplane would not that big of a deal in day VFR conditions.

True there's no doubt there'd be plenty of weird things to work around. CSD and Generator disconnects are electric... have the HIJACK panic button isolate these switches. Or have the system on its own isolated Battery + inverter, with perhaps 40 minutes of power. If we haven't solved it after 40 minutes, it's too late anyhow.

Really, the HIJACK button would be less of a switch and more of a CPU/computer assembly that would engage "Otto" in a hack-proof mode.

As for Autoland, well, you still need to tune the ILS, configure, slow, drop the gear, all currently human operations.

 

[FN FAL]

A non-pilot suggested the following as an anti-hijacking concept. Initially I thought "no way" but there are elements which might work.

A guarded "Hijack" switch is installed into the jet. Upon attempted forced entry, a pilot would press and hold the switch for, say, 4 seconds. When activated, the system would do the following...

1) In all cases the autopilot would engage, and the jet would climb to, or descend to, a safe altitude determined by the FMS for the given topography, i.e. "Level Change" to 10,000' in a wings level manner. It would then continue straight and level until the system is deactivated or the jet runs out of fuel.

2) The autopilot would lock out, and could ONLY be unlocked with a 4 or 6 digit code entered into the FMC.

3) Jet could also use comm systems to alert authorities the system is engaged.

Accidental engagement would be embarrassing, but not dangerous. If the bad guys make it into the seats, they couldn't fly the airplane anywhere. No pilot these days would reveal the code given that death is imminent anyhow.

There are elements to this scheme that might work with transport aircraft w/FMS. The big objection of course is ANY system which potentially could "take control" of the aircraft.

Thoughts?

Swede, you got the right idea, just not quite fully developed.

Not being facetious right now, but right after 9/11 there was a company that said they could install secure digital data link into airliners. What they were saying was that they could overtake the aircraft and save it from the ground...including landing it. No matter what the pilot incapcitation was.

Eventually, this capability is going to bring some changes to airline cockpits. Look at how much the military is planing on automating.

If you do a search on google for DARPA's contest for autonomous on road vehicles, you'll find that they didn't have any winners for the one million dollar prize recently. Next contest offers a two million dollar prize. The military has specified that they want a pretty good perctange of their ground vehicles autonomous by the year 2015.

That doesn't mean that they will be using remote controlled vehicles, that means that they want vehicles that can be sent out on a mission and complete it with no human intervention.

 

[s0ldier93]

HHHHmmmmm. . . . .

What if the pulling of this switch turned the aircraft to the nearest military airstrip instead. That would clean most civilian and otherwise innocent bystanders of the immediate danger right?

Also I'm not sure of the code part. That leaves the decision in human hands. Something along the lines of "I'll start killing passengers" comes to mind. I know there is the thought that we'll all die anyway, but who knows how one might react in the actual situation. Of coarse I say that with no better idea. Perhaps an unlock from outside of the aircraft. Maybe from the military base the aircraft is now circling. After the fighters catch up for insurance maybe?

 

[ThomasR]

7700

Hijack switch sets airplane to auto preset direct to military facility, all occupants are anesthetized through the environmental system, auto transmit 7700 for mil. escort. Sort out the details once on the ground. Got any complaints or law suites tell it to the hand. By order of H.W. Bush, Commander and Chief