Study: Union Membership Lower IQ's

[fischman]

OK DOOKER,



This is how Union Pilots study Calculus. Study this Calculus lesson and write a short report on it....

Calculus For Union PILOTS- VIDEO​

If you pass I will recommend Differential Equation or Complex Variables lessons next.

This is train to proficiency. If you don't pass I am afraid you cannot move on to the next lesson and must repeatedly study this one until you do.

I need retraining.

 

[fischman]

Damn! It didn't take.

I need to study.

 

[Dooker]

OK DOOKER,



This is how Union Pilots study Calculus. Study this Calculus lesson and write a short report on it....

Calculus For Union PILOTS- VIDEO​

If you pass I will recommend Differential Equation or Complex Variables lessons next.

This is train to proficiency. If you don't pass I am afraid you cannot move on to the next lesson and must repeatedly study this one until you do.

Study: Pilots are Horndogs

 

[FamilyGuy]

FG, everyone seems to have an opinion about unions. And really, who's to say who's right? Obviously, nothing anyone says here, or anywhere else, will change your mind.
And based on my experience with unions (so far, NJA is the only union I've ever been a part of) I'm thinking they aren't so bad. So nothing you, or anyone else, says is going to change my mind.

That's fine.

But here's a question for that really big brain of yours: In spite of what we see in the news about our economy, our country still enjoys one of the highest standards of living in the world. Translation: people are still making good wages and decent benefits (although that is slowly being eroded and becoming of greater concern for the average working American). So my question is, what, in your opinion, effect have unions had on our country's prosperity and standard of living? Do you think we'd be doing this well without them? Or worse? Maybe better? Is it possible they've helped raise the standards? (ala the CS and Flex raises that 'coincidentally' happened shortly after our contract ratification).

realityman - first of all, excellent post. Your response was lucid, well reasoned and articulated, and free of taunts and profanity. Keep that up and you'll get banned from this site.

In my opinion, unions in the U.S. served a purpose which was largely fulfilled decades ago. They've since been supplanted by laws and government regulation. With that in mind, they had a positive impact on quality of life and prosperity, but much like the buggy whip, phonographs, videotapes, floppy discs, the penny, travel agencies, checks, and record stores (all of which had a positive impact at some point in time but are obsolete now) their useful life expired years ago. The fact that unions in the U.S. have been in decline for 40 years just serves to confirm this completed purpose.

Why did labor unions come to exist? Was it a bunch of overpaid, greedy factory workers just trying to put the screws to their companies? Did it have anything to do with the fact that the average working American family used to have to send their KIDS to work in the factories just to make ends meet?

Your comment here implies that unions came to exist due to abuses and excesses by companies. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Unions in the U.S. were actually first formed by skilled tradesmen who enjoyed a good standard of living, rather than by exploited factory workers. Even pro-union websites confirm this for you:

http://www.ilwu19.com/edu/reasons.htm

PS- Just to keep this thread at least a little on track, I have routinely scored well over 130 on different IQ tests. And who the heck cares?! High IQ's don't mean you know how to use that intelligence (ie: domiciles were to allow more direct airlining. Doh!)

Agreed. High intelligence doesn't mean you know how to use that intelligence effectively, or that highly intelligent people will make good leaders. (There was actually an interesting piece about high intelligence hurting people's ability to lead in today's wall street journal, which you can find on page B13)

I responded to gunfyters post simply because of the arrogance of his original statement and to remind him that no matter how good you are, there is always someone better out there.

 

[FamilyGuy]

FamilyGuy.... I challenged DOOKER. Not everyone on the board. The only score I am interested in is His.

But for you ... The test I want to take is the College Board Physics Achievement test or the math portion of the SATs. $100 a point on the raw score.

Which test do you choose?

Gun - why limit it to just math? Don't you believe in the value of a well rounded education?

Flylow has already demonstrated the value of reading comprehension.

 

[gunfyter]

Gun - why limit it to just math? Don't you believe in the value of a well rounded education?

Flylow has already demonstrated the value of reading comprehension.

Because I am a Math guy... and I know I can't lose any money taking a math test.

But it doesn't matter anyway unless you have resigned your seniority number?

 

[acaTerry]

Good post, Terry. What is it they say about lies and statistics?

Lies? I'd tell you but it may not be true!:laugh:

 

[pilotpat]

Wherever there are possible abuses to a worker's QOL, work conditions, etc., you may find a union. The union has not, IMO, served its purpose in totality one bit. Unions like IBT, AFL-CIO, NYSUT...they'll always be around no matter what your personal opinion of unions is. Like it or not - they help millions of working Americans continue working in better conditions.

 

[GVFlyer]

I will bet $100 a point my IQ is higher than yours.

A Marine helicopter pilot - that should be an easy bet!


Relax....just yanking your lanyard, Guns.


Congratulations on your making it into the Falcon. That in itself should be a pretty good QOL improvement.


GV

 

[gunfyter]

A Marine helicopter pilot - that should be an easy bet!


Relax....just yanking your lanyard, Guns.


GV

You would think.... But how many people can really say they understand helicopter aerodynamics? But still my application for Pax River was not approved.

 

[fischman]

In my opinion, unions in the U.S. served a purpose which was largely fulfilled decades ago. They've since been supplanted by laws and government regulation. With that in mind, they had a positive impact on quality of life and prosperity, but much like the buggy whip, phonographs, videotapes, floppy discs, the penny, travel agencies, checks, and record stores (all of which had a positive impact at some point in time but are obsolete now) their useful life expired years ago. The fact that unions in the U.S. have been in decline for 40 years just serves to confirm this completed purpose.

Does that mean NetJets would pay me $90,000/year (year 5 pay) out of the goodness of their hearts like Citation Shares does?:laugh:

Maybe unions still have a place to improve the QOL for its members. Even if you aren't part of the union.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Does that mean NetJets would pay me $90,000/year (year 5 pay) out of the goodness of their hearts like Citation Shares does?:laugh:

Maybe unions still have a place to improve the QOL for its members. Even if you aren't part of the union.

No, CS pays their pilots $90,000 at yr 5 out of the goodness of OUR hearts.

 

[gunfyter]

This is why Family Guy doesn't want to take a Math Test.

Who doesn't need a Union?

The management who insisted we'd go broke if they paid me much more than half of what I am getting now -- or me?


Do you know that the 14 yr payscale offered in the 2004 TA was a $1K paycut compared to the previous CBA over the 14 years? Thats right. A new hire who started right after that TA would earn $1k less over 14 years than with the CBA that was already in force.

Thats ALL we can afford Boys! ... its a good deal too -- you better take it!

Yes... better take this deal because if we negotiate another one there will be LESS money, NOT more in it.

 

[G4dude]

It should read,
"Union Membership raises incomes, benefits and quality of life".

It amazes me that some people want to lower their QOL. I guess some want to be slaves.

Yeah, slavery sucks here at NJI!!!

 

[gunfyter]

Yeah, slavery sucks here at NJI!!!

Spillover effect.

 

[OHGOON]

FamilyGuy,


Do you really believe that rules, regs and laws have supplanted the need for Unions? I need to get the same medical marihuana prescription you have.

Of course the decline in unionization is not due to the anti union hysteria fostered in the US since Saint Reagan took office two and a half decades ago. Oh no...it is due only because they are obsolete. Why are they not declining in Europe? I guess their system of laws is deficient somehow?:laugh:

You of such superior IQ surely believe yourself to be a white collar employee pursuing the American Dream, the rest of us less gifted however seem to be mired in our inescapable reality that we are labor, blue collar and feel a whee bit threatened at the moment... (Problems like HealthCare, No retirement plans, how to pay for college, etc) seems so pedestrian when viewed from your yacht....wait, wait, don't you sit in the front of the jet, with the rest of us working for a living ?

Next you will be telling us that evolution and gravity are also a matter of debate....? Maybe turning down the volume of Fox News might be a start...

 

[FamilyGuy]

FamilyGuy,


Do you really believe that rules, regs and laws have supplanted the need for Unions? I need to get the same medical marihuana prescription you have.

Of course the decline in unionization is not due to the anti union hysteria fostered in the US since Saint Reagan took office two and a half decades ago. Oh no...it is due only because they are obsolete. Why are they not declining in Europe? I guess their system of laws is deficient somehow?:laugh:

Unions are in decline in Europe as well. Check for yourself:

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2006/01/art3full.pdf

http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/eiro/2006/03/articles/eu0603029i.html

http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/2004-11-10-eurolabor_x.htm

You really should do some basic fact checking before you embarrass yourself like this.

Of course, I shouldn't be surprised. Liberals have been ignoring facts for years.

 

[OHGOON]

Family guy,
the most ironic part of your posts has got to be your signature...ever apply it to yourself?

you are so right to point out that union membership is in decline not only in Europe but worldwide. There are a myriad of reasons for this, globalization, outsourcing, influx of cheap labor due to immigration. High rates of unemployment that diminish bargaining power, the list goes on. Your links illustrate these factors and others well, they however fail to mention your theory that Unions are obsolete like a phonograph or buggywhip due to enlightened new laws and regulations. Where are those facts?

The articles you provided also state that the unions and its membership are a much more accepted and integrated way of life in Europe (more so in France ,Germany, Italy, less so in England and Ireland). Many residents of Europe do not feel that Unions are evil and obsolete. They believe they owe their quality of life to them and want them to prosper. It is this desire that I ment when I said unions are not in decline in Europe.

The union movement throughout the world is shrinking as you point out. I do not challenge that fact, I mearely question your version as to why that is happening.

The last part about Liberals ignoring facts, blah blah blah...conservatives of course are so different in that department....WMD, sexual abstinence for teenagers, creationism (the world is 6000+/- years old; dinosaurs and homosapiens coexisting), etc. Yeah all of it factual and research based.... like the Flintstones. Sticks and stones...

No taxation without representation, different time, similar issues. Then it was the King, today it is the CEO. Then it was the minutemen, now it could be the Union!

 

[gunfyter]

It is an error (that would be one of your mistakes, FG), to associate Liberalism with unions.

The company is owned and managed by liberals.... With large carbon footprints.

The union is FAIR and BALANCED....

 

[Papps]

A pilot IQ thread? If you took part in this online test deduct 75 points from IQ.