Study Finds Opening Love Field to Long-Haul flying would have Serious Conserquences

[Dangerkitty]

Part II

Besides, a deal is a deal. And this one was a good deal.

A guy named Jim Wright has no proprietary ownership of this agreement. It was a compromise hammered out by a lot of people. Equally fair to everyone, it treats all airline carriers alike.

I don't have a current figure on just how much has been invested in D/FW Airport, but I'll assure you of this: It's well into the billions. And I can't tell you how exactly much it has brought to the economies of our neighboring counties, but this is certain: It's in the multiple billions!

Every resident of North Texas has a big investment in D/FW Airport and both a financial and civic interest in its future.

Sometimes I wish I were as wise as Solomon. Then maybe I'd know how to make everybody happy with our human efforts to compromise and get along. Unfortunately, Solomon was not on the faculty at Weatherford College or the University of Texas when I was a student at those institutions.

Who knows? Even if I had enrolled in his course, I might have flunked it.

 

[canyonblue]

My God man, now you're quoting Jim Wright, a politician! I hope you aren't drug tested at your current employer. Jim Wright:laugh: what a f*cking moron.

 

[Dangerkitty]

My God man, now you're quoting Jim Wright, a politician! I hope you aren't drug tested at your current employer. Jim Wright:laugh: what a f*cking moron.

All you can do Cayonblue is ask stupid questions and hurl insults with nothing else to contribute. At least I am quoting a politician that was there and helped craft the law.

If you really want the Wright Amendment to be repealed then you better consider the consequences that DAL could be shut down. The Wright Amendment was the only way that DAL was going to stay open.

Throw your dice on the table then. Maybe it will turn up snakes eyes.

You arethe one that was stating I didn't know the history. Seems to me I know a heck of alot more than you do.

I bet you can't even state a few reasons why the Wright Amendment should be repealed.

 

[scoreboard]

Liar eh?

Total and complete BS. Your ex-CEO Herb had a big part in establishing and signing off on the Wright Amendment. The Wright Amendment was started to make an exception for SWA so they wouldn't have to move to DFW like all the other airlines did.

I dont know where you are getting your information but it is totally inaccurate.

No, your spin is BS. Read this:

House Majority Leader Jim Wright, without notice, without hearings, and without opportunity for public comment or informed debate, attached an amendment that banned any airline from engaging in interstate air commerce from Love Field to an unrelated bill. The U.S. Senate refused to go along, and forced a compromise, today's Wright Amendment, whose admitted purpose is to protect DFW Airport (and the airlines which serve it) from competition.

Additionally, there was no exception in the wright amm to allow WN to operate, it was used only to restrict LUV operations. Deregulation guaranteed that WN could do what it wanted from LUV. The Wright Amm was bought by AA to restrict our growth. No where does it say we agreed to this, no where did we sign up, zip, nadda, ziltch... Read the words "forced compromise". Sometimes when you have a gun to your head you don't fight to hard. We did not sign anything. Now it's time to change. Now we have our own guns...

Your argument saying we should have complained earlier, well we did, just not loud enough. Now we are, you'll get over it.

 

[canyonblue]

All you can do Cayonblue is ask stupid questions and hurl insults with nothing else to contribute.

That's my job here.:smash: Just because it made sense in the 1970's doe's not mean it should still be in effect today. You want Amendments? You probably would have argued against the 13th Amendment. Why not, a deal is a deal.

 

[ivauir]

No gun was put to SWA's head.

SWA helped craft the agreement. Why dont you ask Herb?

If we'd been forced out of LUV, we'd have been forced out of business. That is a pretty big gun to me.

It is anti competetive, anti consumer ad unjust. Buh Bye

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

Forget the Wright ADM for now. Why don't we say what this fight is all about? I could care less about either AA or SWA but I do live in North Texas and have all my life. It boils down to the fact that Southwest is scared to move onto AA's turf at DFW. AA knows that SWA would kick the living crap out of their all ready bad finacial situation and would chip away at their monopoly of screwing the traveling public of the DFW metroplex. They must keep SWA in check or risk serious finacial erosion. SWA on the otherhand, is scared of a fight with a giant like AA. They know AA would attack them on every route they would fly out of DFW and it would not be worth the fight right now to take that road. Southwest's argument of DFW is total BS. I fly out of PHL and they don't seem to have a problem with that. They also fly out of both airports in Houston. SWA needs to either compete, or shut the hell up and play by the rules like everyone else and AA needs to quit crying and holding the people of Texas, and the surrounding states by the throat by threatining to shut off service to the smaller communities. They fly you mainly because they have to, not because they want to.

 

[erj-145mech]

My God man, now you're quoting Jim Wright

You've been quoting Herb Kelleher and Colleen Barrett after drinking the kool aid from the LUV goblet.

The Wright Ammendment came to pass when WN started flying out of state for the first time, to MSY. If Southwest wants to repeal a law, then its only right that Southwest re-imburse all of the carriers for being forced to relocate to DFW, adjusted for inflation plus interest.

 

[Dangerkitty]

No, your spin is BS. Read this:

House Majority Leader Jim Wright, without notice, without hearings, and without opportunity for public comment or informed debate, attached an amendment that banned any airline from engaging in interstate air commerce from Love Field to an unrelated bill. The U.S. Senate refused to go along, and forced a compromise, today's Wright Amendment, whose admitted purpose is to protect DFW Airport (and the airlines which serve it) from competition.

Additionally, there was no exception in the wright amm to allow WN to operate, it was used only to restrict LUV operations. Deregulation guaranteed that WN could do what it wanted from LUV. The Wright Amm was bought by AA to restrict our growth. No where does it say we agreed to this, no where did we sign up, zip, nadda, ziltch... Read the words "forced compromise". Sometimes when you have a gun to your head you don't fight to hard. We did not sign anything. Now it's time to change. Now we have our own guns...

Your argument saying we should have complained earlier, well we did, just not loud enough. Now we are, you'll get over it.

SWA could have moved to DFW just like every other airline was forced to.

The Wright Amendment was a compromise that allowed SWA to operate out of Luv with restrictions.

If SWA wants to fly outside of the state of Texas then it can do it out of DFW just like every other carrier is forced to.

It's as plain and simple as that.

What in the heck are you talking about when you say I will get over it. I don't even fly for AA anymore and I am not going back. I just call a spade a spade.

You guys agreed to a deal 30 years ago and now you want it changed. Sorry it's not in the cards. Either fly out of DFW or continue to fly out of Love with it's restrictions.

 

[erj-145mech]

They also fly out of both airports in Houston.

Southwest gave up IAH. Continental grabbed the gates at terminal A before Jet Blue had a chance to obtain them.

 

[Dangerkitty]

If we'd been forced out of LUV, we'd have been forced out of business. That is a pretty big gun to me.

It is anti competetive, anti consumer ad unjust. Buh Bye

Well since you guys seem to be so much better than the rest of us why dont you just come to DFW and face off on AA head to head?

You now have the finances and the pricing power to do whatever in the heck you want. Don't you? Why are you so scared about flying in and out of DFW?

And don't give me the whole crap about the delays out of DFW. I flew out of there for 3 years and it is much better than most of the other airports out there.

 

[str8upflyrght]

I agree w/ CanyonBlue. Laws need to be revisitied and changed when they have become outdated or unfair. It appears the WA was a means to protect DFW in its infancy and allow it to grow with little competition. Today DFW has grown to one of the largest airports in the world, housing the largest airline in the world. DFW no longer needs protection from the federal government to be successful.

The article by Congressman Wright talks about the FAA being concerned w/ airpace/ traffic management due to larger aircraft. No one is asking for larger airplanes to fly into DAL.

I'm not an operations expert, but hypothetically what would be the problem w/ allowing a customer to purchase a ticket to fly to LAS or BWI via HOU or ABQ out of DAL? How does that traffic? If the WA prohibited the size or volume of traffic out of DAL then I could possibly see the safety side of the law. But how does prohibiting an airline to provide service, even if not direct service, impact DFW?

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Besides, a deal is a deal. And this one was a good deal.

A guy named Jim Wright has no proprietary ownership of this agreement. It was a compromise hammered out by a lot of people. Equally fair to everyone, it treats all airline carriers alike.

I don't have a current figure on just how much has been invested in D/FW Airport, but I'll assure you of this: It's well into the billions. And I can't tell you how exactly much it has brought to the economies of our neighboring counties, but this is certain: It's in the multiple billions!

Every resident of North Texas has a big investment in D/FW Airport and both a financial and civic interest in its future.

Danger kitty,

Were you on Flightinfo when we talked about this article by Jim Wright back in July? Saying he has no ownership is ridiculous. He helped broker the deal and feels like its an insult to him to challenge it. His view is myopic at best.

A deal is a deal?? That fallacy would be funny if not so damaging. You are wrong or ignorant on some critical details. One of which is the assumption this "deal" should last forever. It helped a fledgling young airport and their bond holders. That "deal" has been long ago been honored for the benefit of those needing it. Yes, DFW is good for Texas. But so is Dallas Love. Dallas is bigger now and 2 viable airports are good for North Texas. The BS you have been fed saying otherwise will only serve to limit growth in North Texas and will benefit only DFW and AA. Go tell Chicago and other cities that having two, or more, airports will ruin their economies. They will laugh you out of the room.

 

[N7167L]

Guys, the writting is on the wall... the WA will be EXPIRED/DISSOLVED/REPEALED!

It is only a matter of time.

 

[SWA/FO]

erj145-mech...

Only has 1250 hours? He is not flying any heavy metal into DFW or DAL....don't listen to him.

 

[skykid]

Define heavy metal! I'd say a 737 doesn't count either.

 

[SWA/FO]

thats a little bit heavier then a C-172...but not required to say "HEAVY" at the end of the call sign, no

 

[erj-145mech]

erj145-mech...

Only has 1250 hours? He is not flying any heavy metal into DFW or DAL....don't listen to him.

Hey SWA/FOD, where were you in 1978 when all this went down? I'd bet that you were sucking on a fudgecicle and watching cartoons. By this time frame I was already an aircraft inspector releasing aircraft for service after major modifications an inspections. What does time in the pit of cocks have to do with the subject matter at hand?

How much two and four engined tail dragger time do you have? When I was getting B-17 training, I got two engine out approaches, how many two engine out approaches to missed do you have? See, it not relevent either.

Now go tell Colleen that you need another big cup of company kool aid and let the men discuss this.

 

[SWA/FO]

Ok.... you got me on that one... you are da man..a very old man, so who do you wrench for? AAE?

 

[erj-145mech]

I work for a third party maintenance outfit. I'm involved with 747-400's, 318/319/320 Airbii, 72's, 73's, 75's, Md-11's, and freighter conversions.

Old, I just turned 52 last week, but have been licenced since I was 20.