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If your student owes you money, you can refrain from recommending that student for the practical test. However, you do not have the option of failing to endorse the student's log or training record for the instruction you have provided. That is a requirement established by 14 CFR 61.189(a):

§ 61.189 Flight instructor records.
(a) A flight instructor must sign the logbook of each person to whom that instructor has given flight training or ground training.
You are not under any obligation to ever recommend a student for a practical test, but you must always provide an endorsement for training received. Note that the regulation does not address financial arrangement or gain. This means for you that it doesn't matter what the student pays you; you give the instruction, you endorse the students logbook or training record for the instruction you have provided, or you may face enforcement action. The FAA couldn't care less if you get paid.

You always have the option of refusing to recommend for the practical test until you receive payment. If it were me and I felt strongly on the topic, I might contact the examiner involved and notify the examiner that you have not received payment, should the student attempt to proceed with the practical test using the services of a different instructor. An ethical examiner should be willing to work with you on that matter and refuse to conduct the test until you are payed. That is, of course, at the discretion of the examiner.

The fact that you haven't been paid suggests that you are providing independent instruction. While independent instruction is perfectly legitimate, remember that if you're instructing through a school or through a FBO's offering, you have some protection in that the student won't be allowed to rent unless the bill is paid. Often that means payment up front, often in a block amount. This is a benifit to you.
 
here is a *different* opinion. Sure, all the "Guido's" on this board are just jumping at the chance to whuppass, and with little or no information. You have not given enough information to make a *sober* decision.

Why is he behind? What was the exchange at the first time he did not pay for the lesson? Did you let it go in the beginning? Did you lead him to believe you might help him out a bit in these final days? Maybe you didn't intend for that to happen, but did you consider the implication? Getting the final prep hours and completing the checkride can be very cost-effective. You know that stretching it out ultimately costs more.

I am in agreement with everyone about not recommending, if he has lied or implied that he would pay before checkride, but if that has not been made clear....

....and as Avbug points out, you *must* sign his logbook for training recieved.

...and you should recommend him, if that might have been implied by your verbal agreement to provide training for payment at a later date.
But get that agreement in writing before the recommendation.
 
Give me 10 percent of what he owes you and I,ll go and break his F()CKING LEGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then I'll go to his house and drown his goldfish........
 
any how just kidding .....like some of them said don't endorse his log book that will hurt more then any a$$ kicking.......... Some people are such scumbags.all that hard work you put in and they can,t even repay you
 
avbug said:
If your student owes you money, you can refrain from recommending that student for the practical test. However, you do not have the option of failing to endorse the student's log or training record for the instruction you have provided....

Pretty sure that's what everyone meant by not "endorsing" his book...

...at least me...

61.103
To be eligible for a private pilot certificate, a person must:

(f) Receive flight training and a logbook endorsement from an authorized instructor who:

(2) Certified that the person is prepared for the required practical test.

like I said...at least that's where I was going...just don't endorse him for the Check ride...

-mini
 
do you think $40,000 will cover PPL, instrument, CFI, Multi, and maybe MEI?

Don't forget that you have to get a commercial license also...in order to get the CFI.
 
Don't put your name on anything unless he pays
 
Remember the golden rule.....................


NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED!

Remember that and you will never get f*cked in business!

I gaurentee this guy screws you if you sign the logbook.
 
Instructor leverage

I agree with everyone who recommended against signing off your student. Absent sending the boys after him, you really have no other leverage to make him pay.

And, once he pays and you finish him, let him go. Your time is too valuable to waste on him if he won't pay. Let him find another instructor. I agree with all points above that instructors need to act professional and expect professional treatment from their clients.
 
Followup to the situation:

At the beginning of our last flight before the checkride, I informed my student that he needed to clear his outstanding balance before we flew. He replied. " I didn't bring my checkbook". I asked, "did you bring your flightbag? How about your headset? Then if you knew you were going to fly, why didn't you bring your checkbook? I told him that not only would we not fly, I would not endorse his logbook for the checkride.

At that point it, he told me that driving home would take too much time. I told him that rescheduling his checkride would take even longer and cost more.
I said...go to the ATM, get the cash and by the way, I'm billing you for my time.

He paid, crisp twenties......

Thanks to everyone for the advice..
 
Glad it worked out.

Your invoice is in the mail, payment due within 30 days.
(You didn't think all this advice was FREE did you?)

sdflyer2 said:
Followup to the situation:

At the beginning of our last flight before the checkride, I informed my student that he needed to clear his outstanding balance before we flew. He replied. " I didn't bring my checkbook". I asked, "did you bring your flightbag? How about your headset? Then if you knew you were going to fly, why didn't you bring your checkbook? I told him that not only would we not fly, I would not endorse his logbook for the checkride.

At that point it, he told me that driving home would take too much time. I told him that rescheduling his checkride would take even longer and cost more.
I said...go to the ATM, get the cash and by the way, I'm billing you for my time.

He paid, crisp twenties......

Thanks to everyone for the advice..
 

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