Student Endoresement: High Perf / Complex

[User546]

I have a student who has received about 10 hours dual so far, with all the training in a Cessna 172.

He went out last week and bought a Piper Dakota as a personal aircraft. For you that aren't familiar with the Dakota's, it has a 235 HP engine, fixed-gear, with constant speed prop.

So now I will be doing all the rest of his primary training in this Dakota.

My question is, when do I need to give him his complex and high performance endoresement to fly this airplane? Should I do it as soon as possible (as soon as proper ground and flight criteria is met) or is it not important for him to have until he's ready to act as PIC in the aircraft (first solo, etc.)?

Never ran into a situation like this before, and I want to make sure I do it right.

Thanks.

 

[vclean]

He would need the proper endorsements before he acts as PIC (solo).

 

[Vik]

10hrs of dual with you? or just 10hrs dual total, as in he's not even a private pilot yet?

If he's already a private pilot, he needs to log PIC while flying the plane, and can't until you endorse him.

Either way -- your signature on that endorsement says, "Dear FAA, I certify that if this guy kills himself in this plane, that you will hunt down my ass and harass me for the rest of my life."

Don't sign it until you feel that he's ready to fly it as PIC. I can't even begin to imagine how much trouble I would have gotten myself into flying a 235HP airplane with only 10hrs under my belt.

Whatever you do, don't risk your ticket.

I have a student who has received about 10 hours dual so far, with all the training in a Cessna 172.

He went out last week and bought a Piper Dakota as a personal aircraft. For you that aren't familiar with the Dakota's, it has a 235 HP engine, fixed-gear, with constant speed prop.

So now I will be doing all the rest of his primary training in this Dakota.

My question is, when do I need to give him his complex and high performance endoresement to fly this airplane? Should I do it as soon as possible (as soon as proper ground and flight criteria is met) or is it not important for him to have until he's ready to act as PIC in the aircraft (first solo, etc.)?

Never ran into a situation like this before, and I want to make sure I do it right.

Thanks.

 

[Vik]

Nevermind, missed your keyword, "primary" .. so he's only had 10hrs total and he's got a 235HP plane .. yikes.

 

[minitour]

He would only need high performance though correct? Since it doesn't have retractable landing gear?

I would assume being HP it has Cowl Flaps? But it's still missing the gear, so does it qualify as complex?

-mini

 

[bigD]

I would assume being HP it has Cowl Flaps? But it's still missing the gear, so does it qualify as complex?

-mini

Nope - to be complex it needs "all of the above". So it's only HP.

 

[minitour]

woohoo...that means I passed ground school yay!

-mini

 

[vclean]

Many pilots earn their private in high performance and/or complex airplanes. 235HP means nothing. Pilots kill themselves in everything from an ultralight and up. Quality of instruction and maturity and judgement of the student/pilot determine the risks they present themselves.

If you feel confident your student understands the aircraft and demonstrates the skills required to safely fly the aircraft, then endorse his logbook and student pilot certificate (medical) before he solos.

Giving an endorsement for HP, complex, tailwheel or anything else doesn't bring the FAA on you any faster than a student you signoff on a 172, or a bfr.

Document your training and cover the items on the PTS. You are not forever responsible for someone's carelessness or lack of judgement.

 

[flyer172r]

woohoo...that means I passed ground school yay!

-mini

That's always a good thing to realize

Training in a HP plane is very doable, chances are it'll take longer before he's really ready for solo or his checkride.

 

[minitour]

That's always a good thing to realize

yeah...I thought I did but I was worried with talk of a complex endorsement in the thread...but it's all good...

-mini