Strike Vote Called For at NetJets

[FamilyGuy]

WRONG. The UNION was the first group to start trying to involve other employee groups when they started handing out their 'educational' materials at a company meeting.

WRONG...not gonna let you get away with this one FamilyGuy....we handed out pamphlets in RESPONSE to a company intranet page. You have been targeted by managment from day one. It's called class warfare. Sounds like you've bought into it hook line and sinker.

The UNION was the first group to take this fight public when they picketed at Berkshire's annual meeting in Omaha and bought billboards in CMH and TEB.

This contract has been in the public forum for four years. Do a Lexus-Nexus search. You will find Wall Street and NY Times references to labor negotiations at NJA.

Management had left us out of it and we were content to sit on the sidelines. Now when Management publishes a rebuttal to the union propaganda then you accuse them of using the employees in a "divide & conquer" battle plan????

As I said before, you have been targeted by MGT from the time this started getting contentious...probably before.[/QUOTE]

Okay, Hogprint....I'm trying to keep an open mind on this. For arguements sake, lets say you are right....I dont remember seeing anything from the company before I received your document at the meeting. What did this posting on the intranet say?

 

[Hogprint]

Boistures reply to the MECs counter proposal if I remember correct.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

The company has made many promises. Hope they keep this one.

FamilyIdiot is in his own little dreamworld. He WILL be layed off....too bad, so sad...

 

[FAcFriend]

family guy et al

You know the pilots do travel alot. And I have to agree (I think it was posted on this thread) that 100k does not buy alot these days. Also if you are married with a couple of kids, it is impossible for the wife to work a meaningful job while the husband is gone 50% of the time. They dont work 50% of the time- they are GONE 50% of the time.

And although we can all accept the fact the pilots "knew what they were getting into when they came to NJA" and "if you are married to a pilot you have to expect them to travel" the fact of the matter is the disparity between the rich and poor in this country is growing and someone has to step up to Bush's anti labor pro big guy, spend my social security stance.

AND- as long as the IBT feels confident that company will survive and I hope they keep that in mind- (given the fallacies of mgnt and that none of us is perfect) I hope these young families do get good raises and I hope they get them soon- 100%, I dont know. 50% yes if it is really 50% and not 50% after you start paying extra for sugar in your coffee.

Lets face it a college education and trained pilot should not start out at 27k. A college educated engineer does not start out at 27k. And we all know there are perks here like per diem, but the bottom rung has to be 40k starting out given the current schedule whatever the heck that is.

So pilots- here is my post. I AM AN outsider. I HAVE read alot. I AM NOT A MNGT TROLL. I have done alot of analysis. I have spoken to alot of you on both sides.

I am going to write my article now.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

family guy et al

You know the pilots do travel alot. And I have to agree (I think it was posted on this thread) that 100k does not buy alot these days. Also if you are married with a couple of kids, it is impossible for the wife to work a meaningful job while the husband is gone 50% of the time. They dont work 50% of the time- they are GONE 50% of the time.

And although we can all accept the fact the pilots "knew what they were getting into when they came to NJA" and "if you are married to a pilot you have to expect them to travel" the fact of the matter is the disparity between the rich and poor in this country is growing and someone has to step up to Bush's anti labor pro big guy, spend my social security stance.

AND- as long as the IBT feels confident that company will survive and I hope they keep that in mind- (given the fallacies of mgnt and that none of us is perfect) I hope these young families do get good raises and I hope they get them soon- 100%, I dont know. 50% yes if it is really 50% and not 50% after you start paying extra for sugar in your coffee.

Lets face it a college education and trained pilot should not start out at 27k. A college educated engineer does not start out at 27k. And we all know there are perks here like per diem, but the bottom rung has to be 40k starting out given the current schedule whatever the heck that is.

So pilots- here is my post. I AM AN outsider. I HAVE read alot. I AM NOT A MNGT TROLL. I have done alot of analysis. I have spoken to alot of you on both sides.

I am going to write my article now.

SO....

Now its George Bushs fault and Netjet pilots should start out at 40K huh?

Thats some of the dumbest $hit I read here yet!

 

[buttercup]

SO....

Now its George Bushs fault and Netjet pilots should start out at 40K huh?

Thats some of the dumbest $hit I read here yet!

He's right on about the disparity between the wealthy and the poor in this country.. The middle class is going bye-bye!!

 

[Traderd]

family guy et al

Lets face it a college education and trained pilot should not start out at 27k. A college educated engineer does not start out at 27k. And we all know there are perks here like per diem, but the bottom rung has to be 40k starting out given the current schedule whatever the heck that is.

So pilots- here is my post. I AM AN outsider. I HAVE read alot. I AM NOT A MNGT TROLL. I have done alot of analysis. I have spoken to alot of you on both sides.

I am going to write my article now.

Why do think it is the case that a college educated engineer does not start out at 27K while a college educated and trained pilot does?

Have you read anything that might answer that question?

 

[greed]

Good Luck

Hopefully, if a strike takes place your fellow aviators will support you and not fill your seats, I for one will respect your line.

 

[Publishers]

The example is not exactly valid.

A good friend of mine has a son who graduated as an engineer and math major a year ago and has yet to find work. There are plenty of colege grads that are having trouble finding any work let alone work related to their chosen field.

College grads starting in retail and other businesses may well start in the twenty something/.

A few years ago, anyone who could do computer graphics could demand big money but now that has leveled with so many doing it.

 

[pilotyip]

A college degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane. School teachers have to have college degrees, except North Carolina, and they start at 27K or less in most states. My nephew has a college degree in economics, started at GE credit, 22K per year. NJ F/O is an entry level position and in line with with starting at jobs with and without college degrees.

 

[hbrow15]

NJ F/O is an entry level position and in line with with starting at jobs with and without college degrees.

I would argue that Flight instructing is an entry level job as that is usually the only job most can get graduating college. Not many graduating with 2500 hrs.

 

[Guitar Guy]

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[FLYLOW22]

The 1st Post by Family guy ever on Flight info....

Most bystanders already have a good idea what's going on after reading the ramblings and idle threats from yourself, NetJetWife, and others on this board. After reading through all this its readily apparent why unions have been declining in the US for over 30 years.

You judge for yourselves.

FG is having a case of plausible identity.

Perhaps more pilots can remind him why he is such a piece of scum in our eyes?

There are over 20 pages of abbreviated posts still on record with this Anti-Union drivel in it.

At least he is consistent... but so are toads.

 

[netjetwife]

FG characterized my posts as "ramblings and idle threats" but it must be noted that 93% of the NJ pilots voted to strike for a contract with fair work rules and professional wages... and the rest is history. All I did was participate in the discussions of that time. My observations were based on following the situation closely and talking over the issues with my very involved husband and other NJ pilot friends and their wives.

My goal remains the same--a civil online conversation of the issues facing frac pilots and their families. I have yet to read any posts by the anti-union board members detailing a better way to gain a fair written contract offering a professional compensation package.

FlyLow22, I am also consistent but I leave the hopping and slimy green look to others....

 

[G4dude]

You judge for yourselves.

FG is having a case of plausible identity.

Perhaps more pilots can remind him why he is such a piece of scum in our eyes?

There are over 20 pages of abbreviated posts still on record with this Anti-Union drivel in it.

At least he is consistent... but so are toads.

Do you feel this way about everyone who dislikes unions, or just FG?