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I.P. Freley
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Hmmmm...
Well I just looked at the GIA FO Program, too, and here's what it tells ya, among other things:
>>>Increase Your Airline Operaion Knowledge With Line Obervation and Jump Seat Flights<<<
And no, I didn't edit that or change the spelling.
In any event, you will note that the price of buying your 1900 time is about to increase in price, and increase dramatically, on July 1st. The $24k is about to become THIRTY GRAND.
Of course that cost will be offset by the $8/hr they are going to pay you for your 250hrs as an FO... Or the same hourly rate that I was paid as a CFI seven years ago, before the company realized that they had to give everyone a raise or we'd all quit. At least we got full medical and dental for our $8/hr.
So anyhow, you will pay $28k for your 250hrs of multi-turbine 121, and then... And then? Who knows. I know a kid who was a student at my old flight school who was utterly unable to find work after he finished with GIA, calling me to try to get a job at my company. I had to tell him "Sorry, 850hrs of flight time just won't meet our mins."
I guess that $112/hr ($28000/250hrs) might be worth it if otherwise you were just going to spend that money anyway buying multi time in a Seneca or something, but most people wouldn't buy that much multi time.
To some it's a good deal, but I think that there are better ways to get your time than GIA.
Comparing GIA to Southwest is not totally off the mark, as you have to pay for something that will get you the job, but at least SW is a career destination airline, which GIA is certainly NOT, and you will pay far, far less for a 737 type than the $$$ you have to cough up to get on with GIA.
I hear that Colgan is no longer PFT, though I think that even when they were it was a better bet than GIA. Pay less, and when your 250hrs is up, you still have a job.
Just my $0.02
Well I just looked at the GIA FO Program, too, and here's what it tells ya, among other things:
>>>Increase Your Airline Operaion Knowledge With Line Obervation and Jump Seat Flights<<<
And no, I didn't edit that or change the spelling.
In any event, you will note that the price of buying your 1900 time is about to increase in price, and increase dramatically, on July 1st. The $24k is about to become THIRTY GRAND.
Of course that cost will be offset by the $8/hr they are going to pay you for your 250hrs as an FO... Or the same hourly rate that I was paid as a CFI seven years ago, before the company realized that they had to give everyone a raise or we'd all quit. At least we got full medical and dental for our $8/hr.
So anyhow, you will pay $28k for your 250hrs of multi-turbine 121, and then... And then? Who knows. I know a kid who was a student at my old flight school who was utterly unable to find work after he finished with GIA, calling me to try to get a job at my company. I had to tell him "Sorry, 850hrs of flight time just won't meet our mins."
I guess that $112/hr ($28000/250hrs) might be worth it if otherwise you were just going to spend that money anyway buying multi time in a Seneca or something, but most people wouldn't buy that much multi time.
To some it's a good deal, but I think that there are better ways to get your time than GIA.
Comparing GIA to Southwest is not totally off the mark, as you have to pay for something that will get you the job, but at least SW is a career destination airline, which GIA is certainly NOT, and you will pay far, far less for a 737 type than the $$$ you have to cough up to get on with GIA.
I hear that Colgan is no longer PFT, though I think that even when they were it was a better bet than GIA. Pay less, and when your 250hrs is up, you still have a job.
Just my $0.02
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Aviator TX writes...
At least Gulfstream is UNION, unlike Scabwest and Pollutair.
That's classic. I'm sure a union would help us out with big issues like keeping the logo light off when we taxi around so that we can show management we mean business! Or better yet, we'll taxi slow to waste more fuel, that'll bring them to their knees!
At least Gulfstream is UNION, unlike Scabwest and Pollutair.
That's classic. I'm sure a union would help us out with big issues like keeping the logo light off when we taxi around so that we can show management we mean business! Or better yet, we'll taxi slow to waste more fuel, that'll bring them to their knees!
ooooooooo you said LOGO LIGHT OFF......OOOOOOOOO
its the power of the light that will show managment that unions are not to be messed with.
Or maybe letting passengers know that summer travel would be ill advised on certain carriers that are under contract negotiations, due to a possible travel interruption/strike/walkout/sickout/so friggin late that the next flight would be full and they would be stuck at the most lushus Hubs in all the free world(or not)
But my union dues are going to a great cause, and a 10 month plan............anything on the 11th month?
its the power of the light that will show managment that unions are not to be messed with.
Or maybe letting passengers know that summer travel would be ill advised on certain carriers that are under contract negotiations, due to a possible travel interruption/strike/walkout/sickout/so friggin late that the next flight would be full and they would be stuck at the most lushus Hubs in all the free world(or not)
But my union dues are going to a great cause, and a 10 month plan............anything on the 11th month?
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Even though this guy that started the thread is acting like an ass Gulfstream isnt a bad program, but that is only my opinion. What it comes down to is that everyone has to make their own decisions and live with the consequences. If it being a CFI or going to a PFT program they both have there postivie and negative sides.
I agree with the above, there are positives and negatives to both CFI'ing, and PFT'ing. Any pilot that thinks there is only one way to a flight deck (CFI'ing), is arrogant and naive.
But then again, there is PFTers who are arrogant and naive, but the same can be said for flight instructors. Like me for example., I am a arrogant, conceded CFI.
And proud of it, (the arrogant, conceded part)
But then again, there is PFTers who are arrogant and naive, but the same can be said for flight instructors. Like me for example., I am a arrogant, conceded CFI.
And proud of it, (the arrogant, conceded part) PadFull'oTrim
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First of all I like the word "Gulfstream" and the phrase "all our hard work finally paid off" appearing in the same thread. Hard Work?
Second, why didn't any of you hard working Gulfstream boys get hired on by Gulfstream??? oh, that's right... the maybe you'll get hired after you spend $25,000 is a big SCAM! why would they hire you when there are people in line behind you that want to pay $25,000?
and the quote "at least Gulfstream is union" is laughable as well. It's good that the union rallies behind all the guys who drop $25,000 and then don't get hired. That's very noble... what? they don't rally behind them? nevermind.
oh and FYI... a SCAB is one who flies struck work. not a member or a non-union shop.
Lastly, an old friend of mine once told me "you don't really know how to fly on instruments until you have to teach a guy to do it."
PFOT
Second, why didn't any of you hard working Gulfstream boys get hired on by Gulfstream??? oh, that's right... the maybe you'll get hired after you spend $25,000 is a big SCAM! why would they hire you when there are people in line behind you that want to pay $25,000?
and the quote "at least Gulfstream is union" is laughable as well. It's good that the union rallies behind all the guys who drop $25,000 and then don't get hired. That's very noble... what? they don't rally behind them? nevermind.
oh and FYI... a SCAB is one who flies struck work. not a member or a non-union shop.
Lastly, an old friend of mine once told me "you don't really know how to fly on instruments until you have to teach a guy to do it."
PFOT
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Second, why didn't any of you hard working Gulfstream boys get hired on by Gulfstream??? oh, that's right... the maybe you'll get hired after you spend $25,000 is a big SCAM! why would they hire you when there are people in line behind you that want to pay $25,000?
If they didnt hire anyone from the program and they dont hire people from the street then how do they get captains? Because they do hire people when they need them. I know several people who have been hired there. Plus Gulfstream ground school is a lot harder then Mesa. In my class at Gulfstream we had two people fail out.
If they didnt hire anyone from the program and they dont hire people from the street then how do they get captains? Because they do hire people when they need them. I know several people who have been hired there. Plus Gulfstream ground school is a lot harder then Mesa. In my class at Gulfstream we had two people fail out.
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If there is a place that is on par with Gulfstream, it sure is Mesa. They are no better in any way. Those guys, or at least alot of them, shelled out alot more than Gulfstream to work there. (and please stop with the diploma from San Juan crap, those pace guys buy nothing more than a job) And they are a very large airline, that has set the bar WAY to low.
I would never hold anything against a pilot individually for their career choices, I am sure there are great Mesa and Gulfstream guys and gals, (more gals ), but the Mesa people will get a lot more shlt from me. No question.
This Texas PC guy is a flame bait trol anyways. I call BS.
I would never hold anything against a pilot individually for their career choices, I am sure there are great Mesa and Gulfstream guys and gals, (more gals
), but the Mesa people will get a lot more shlt from me. No question.This Texas PC guy is a flame bait trol anyways. I call BS.
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Mesa MAPD is not PFT, its an ab initio program with an interview at the end of the program that a candidate must successfully pass in order to recieve employment. At its very worst PACE is pay-for-interview, which DOES NOT guarantee any employment.
Gulfstream and TAB Express are PFT, much like XJT, Comair, ASA, CHQ, and (until recently) Colgan used to be. MAPD is no more PFT than Comair/DCA, FlightSafety, or Pan Am academies.
Perhaps a better term would be PAY-FOR-JOB. PFJ doesn't have the same ring as PFT though...
Gulfstream and TAB Express are PFT, much like XJT, Comair, ASA, CHQ, and (until recently) Colgan used to be. MAPD is no more PFT than Comair/DCA, FlightSafety, or Pan Am academies.
Perhaps a better term would be PAY-FOR-JOB. PFJ doesn't have the same ring as PFT though...
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g-girl said:
You have got to be kidding me.... You should probably get a clue before posting nonsense like this...
Here we go again....
1.) Only 20-25% of Mesa pilots attended MAPD, and a MUCH smaller number through PACE.
2.) MAPD San Juan college guarantees nothing more than an interview after 2years of completing an AA degree and commercial/instrument ratings..
3.) Other airlines that hire (or have hired) low timers through bridge programs:
-ASA - Used to hire 250 hr peeps who paid FSI a 12000$ screening fee.
-Pinnacle - Still hires gulfstream people
-Commutair - Hires gulfstream people
-Colgan - hires gulfstream people
-Piedmont - is currently hiring UND 250 hr wonders
-Transstates - hires low time parks college people
-Comair, Continental Express, American Eagle, and others Used to be PFT..
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Posted by Chinaclipper
"you are a bloomin' idjit. Gulfstream is a EA scab run operation and is considered the very worst in Buy A Job programs. Everyone knows it and I wouldn't hire a GulfScab "graduate" to save my own life. Trying to rub your "success" in ANYONES face is a sure sign of your imaturity to complement your lack of quality in career choices. You remind me of Freedumb Air guys whistling past the graveyard thinking they will face no repercussions for jumping over hundreds of other pilots, for a short term gain. The aviation career field is a marathon, not a sprint. I would give a job to a guy who "paid his dues" long before I would give it to a self-centered a$$hole like you. I hope Mommy and Daddy will be around to finance the rest of you life; Grow up. sonny........"
The best worded yet....you the man
As for pc-from-texas the d!ckless wonder.......leave. Lurkers suck!! Don't come on these boards gettin' everybody all fired up and then sit back and laugh. If your man enough to post the $hit you did, back it up
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"you are a bloomin' idjit. Gulfstream is a EA scab run operation and is considered the very worst in Buy A Job programs. Everyone knows it and I wouldn't hire a GulfScab "graduate" to save my own life. Trying to rub your "success" in ANYONES face is a sure sign of your imaturity to complement your lack of quality in career choices. You remind me of Freedumb Air guys whistling past the graveyard thinking they will face no repercussions for jumping over hundreds of other pilots, for a short term gain. The aviation career field is a marathon, not a sprint. I would give a job to a guy who "paid his dues" long before I would give it to a self-centered a$$hole like you. I hope Mommy and Daddy will be around to finance the rest of you life; Grow up. sonny........"
The best worded yet....you the man
As for pc-from-texas the d!ckless wonder.......leave. Lurkers suck!! Don't come on these boards gettin' everybody all fired up and then sit back and laugh. If your man enough to post the $hit you did, back it up
!!FD75
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What is the difference between paying for time in a 1900 at Gulfstream or paying for multi time somewhere else. You are still paying for it. Is it because its a 121 carrier that lets you work for them for a period of time. Most of the people that do the program are not dildos like the guy that started this thread. No matter where you work you cannot please everyone. I have worked at Gulfstream and now Mesa and I know a lot of disgruntled employees at both airlines. Plus I have friends at other airlines that are equally unhappy with their current situation. It may be run by ex EA, but Gulfstream has a union for the permanent employees and they have not crossed any picket lines on a strike so I dont see how it is a true "scab" airline.
Ah, I don't believe Piedmont is hiring any "250hr UND wonders". I know that in the January class, everyone was at least about 2000hrs, and many had significantly more. And as far as new-hire FO's, PDT has about the best contract in the industry (FULL PAY at a semi-high rate, perdeim, and travel bennies from day one, one guy to a two-room hotel suite during training)
And you can hardly call UND PFT. Not that they don't have more than their fair share of spoiled rich kids. But after you get your commercial and CFI, you get PAID to instruct (at a decent pay for living in ND plus health insurance, if you get hired). Isn't that what a commercial certificate is for? To EARN MONEY to fly?
Remember that people...if you are a PROFFESIONAL pilot, and hold a commercial ticket (definetly NOT the same thing), you deserve to get paid to fly, period.
And you can hardly call UND PFT. Not that they don't have more than their fair share of spoiled rich kids. But after you get your commercial and CFI, you get PAID to instruct (at a decent pay for living in ND plus health insurance, if you get hired). Isn't that what a commercial certificate is for? To EARN MONEY to fly?
Remember that people...if you are a PROFFESIONAL pilot, and hold a commercial ticket (definetly NOT the same thing), you deserve to get paid to fly, period.
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The sound you hear is your chain being jerked.
This is a troll if ther ever was one.
Nice try.
Some did take the bait, though.
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Incidentally, why would someone bash GIA grads?
Remember in "Men in Black" where they refer to the bug alien thing as having a massive insecurity complex coupled with a bad temper?
You have your answer.
GIA bites.
This is a troll if ther ever was one.
Nice try.
Some did take the bait, though.
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Incidentally, why would someone bash GIA grads?
Remember in "Men in Black" where they refer to the bug alien thing as having a massive insecurity complex coupled with a bad temper?
You have your answer.
GIA bites.
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