Stop AEPS Spam, How?

[tjsatter]

Does anybody know how to stop the continous flow of spam coming from AEPS? A while back I made the mistake of actually signing up for this worthless "service" in respose to their tantalizing claims. I was only a real member for a month but now I can't stop the flow of email from them.

I can't sign on because my member number is not active, not that I could stop it that way anyway. I've turned them in to Spamcop. They are as bad as the self-serving crap I use to see out of FAPA and it is only cluttering up my mailbox.

ARGHHH!

t

 

[Ty Webb]

You aren't kidding

I made the same mistake a few years ago, and that deluge of crap actually prompted me to cancel my membership, even though I had paid for the year.

I doubt they have a clue as to how annoying it is to come back from a four day trip, and find your mailbox clogged with all kinds of useless jobs that I am clearly not interested in- (as a 135 jet PIC who does not have a CFI ticket, why would I want to receive dozens of CFI ads each week?)

Do what I did- go to their website, and on the "contact us" part, they list all of the employees and their e-mail adresses. I sent all of them a copy of the same mesage- (basically a copy of the above paragraph), and I sent it over and over and over, until they stopped sending me that crap.

Good Luck

 

[FLpilot]

I went through the same thing, the unsubscribe functions do not work. I finally had to send an angry email to someone on the "contact us" page and the spam finally stopped. I haven't gotten anything from them in a while and I will never make the mistake of signing up with them again, if you absolutely must join get a web based email just for all their crap. After you get what you need you can shut down the account, or just let it overflow until it gets shut down, whatever you do don't give AEPS your "real" address.

 

[publisher]

Off

did you try calling customer service and asking for Rene.

Most of this is automatic depending on what you put in there at the start.

There is also a control panel you can use if you are an active member but that only deals with certain things.

After investing as whole month in it, I am sure you really helped your chances. I would also be interested in what you call these fantastic claims that caused you to invest that $12.

I get on average between 50 and 60 unsolicited emails a day from people who I did nothing with. If it is that annoying to you, make the call.

 

[Ty Webb]

Publisher still doesn't get it

The point we are trying to make here is that AEPS has alienated many of the potential customers it claims it serves.

The e-mail diarrhea is both senseless and annoying. Sending hundreds of messages to me about CFI positions or A&P positions when I do not hold a CFI or A&P cert simply shows that your database is not being used efficiently.

When someone tries to stop the flood, using the link provided, it only sends you an e-mail saying that you have been removed- yet they keep coming.

And you, Publisher, seem to miss an opportunity to correct an obvious problem. When some former customers complain on this board about the problem, your response was to attack the messenger ("Why, what's wrong with being bombarded with junk mail- I get a lot of it") and then to ridicule him for having spent money with your company is absurd.

A more intelligent and effective response would be, "Hey, sorry to hear that there are problems with the e-mail system- I'll ask someone to look into it". . . . And then do it. Trying to defend the indefensible only makes you lose even more credibility, and that is a commodity that you do not have much to spare.

I actaully subscribed to AEPS for several years- and I watched it grow from a useful listing of available jobs to a PFT bed-partner. I let my subscription re-new automatically, though, until the flood of e-mails finally motivated me to cancel- and I doubt that I am the only one.

 

[tjsatter]

Hear! Hear!

Thank you Mr. Webb. You've said everything I was thinking very clearly. I've tried to stop the flow of AEPS-Spam thruogh the web page per the stated procedures while I was a real member and still it keeps coming.

tj

 

[jamesslally]

I sent an email to customer service and changed the subject to "Stop sending me..." and it stopped. So I guess miracles do happen.

 

[flydog]

This crap from AEPS is getting ridiculous. How does my pilot profile match the job requirements at Chataqua for flight attendants and A&P mechanics?

 

[may]

A more intelligent and effective respons

I always wondered who "Publisher" really was, and now I really know. You work for a company that like a leech sucks the blood from an unwilling host. But in your case, you play it off as a company that helps pilots. Your company only saw opportunity in making money because of the never ending demand and nieve unsuspecting pilots. You are like a sportys catolog, pages and pages of @#%$ that you will never use, But was advertised to you as a must have.

I hope that every pilot, who is out of work, is able to return as soon as possible, no matter what kind of person they are. But as for you Publisher, I hope that the furloes last long enough to put your company into bankruptcy. Aeps is right up there with "pay for training."

bring it on

 

[publisher]

Some basis

Sucking blood from an unwilling host....... let us get a few things straight. I work for WED which also owns AEPS.

Second, only about 50% of the people who are members in AEPS are pilots. Third, it is not the Airline Employment PS, it is the Aviation Employment PS. Fourth, I could not care less if you elect to use the service or not. I think it has benefited a large number of people and companies. If companies did not see the benefits, they would not use it and it would fail. Fifth, the number is growing not shrinking. Sixth, one reason for that is that the service was designed to help people find jobs that were not all that obvious, not to get someone a job with a major airline. AEPS started when no one had a web site and it was harder to find the jobs. It also gave employers a place to look that was centralized. Lastly, most of the people who were in the database prior to the 11th were employed. The fact is that everyone connected with this company were aviation vets.
The database was actually started from a request from the training division of an airline to track people.

Your caustic immaturity reflects little of the professionalism any pilot should have.

 

[may]

I have to admit, your grammar and spelling is much better than your previous posts.

What would you know about professionalism? You make deals with most MGT that the pilots cannot stand.

 

[publisher]

May

Exactly what deals do we make with management..

Our service is totally free to the companies. It has to be to fully encourage their participation in looking at our members. It has always been that way. Hard to make a better deal than free.

Thanks for your comment on my spelling and grammar. Like most here, I speed write and do not biother with corrections.

 

[FLpilot]

Notice Publisher hasn't said anything about the unsubsribe functions not working, as in THEY KNOW THEY DON'T WORK! If I were a business owner I would quite upset if someone accused me of this yet all Publisher can seem to do is dodge and deflect. As for your show we all know you're only putting it on for free until you get a large enough following to start charging for it, mark my words it will be a pay feature eventually. I also find it funny that when someone had a negative experience with AEPS Publishers response is to blame THEM, look a salesman is a salesman whether they are selling a "service" from AEPS or the Amazing Ab Cruncher on TV at 1:30 in the morning, the point is they are selling something.

 

[publisher]

Email

First of all, earlier on this board, I made a suggestion as to stopping some of it.

The functions do work to a point. What is that point? There are multiple lists as everyone knows. Some are automatic depending on what you put in at registration. some you are placed in, and, some are created when people search the database.

Since things slowed down last summer, there are very few people left to handle the individual requests. If all you do is email us to take it off, probably is not going to happen. Many people do not know what list they are on and frankly it takes too much time for someone to track it down. We are sorry. That is the way it is.
We talk about this all the time and would like to find ways to reduce it. Tons of email is becoming a way of life and losing its effectiveness. Designing the auto features is also difficult as a system grows. I was not so much unsympathetic as someone who gets so much of it, I delete as much as I can through email filters and still have 100 a day. Painful but not life threatening.

On another subject..TV. Yes we intended to charge for it. To advertisers, not the members. You see ads on there and that is what they are for. The ultimate objective was to cut it off for non members and have it as a member feature only.

An hour ago, you could talk to John Erskine of Comair or Shaun Nicols from ACA on the air and ask them about employment there. We think that this is a plus for the members.

 

[flydog]

Why do pilots get e-mail for flight attendant jobs?

 

[Daysoff]

I am sure that the reason it is free for the companies is because anyone hired at such company must be a member of AEPS. A was once hired by an airline which required me to join AEPS prior to my starting ground school. Hmmmm....I was already hired so why did I need your service? That was a couple of years ago and I can't get rid of the emails.

 

[FLpilot]

Okay so basically your excuse is that the software is so darn complicated not even your own people understand it enough to fix it, and it's the members fault for not filling out the registration form properly. What kind of a way is this to run a business? The solution should be you FIX the software, FIX the form if it's confusing. Don't make excuses and blame the customers, it makes you sound like a car salesman. And you proved my point about the TV show, soon it will be a members only feature.








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[publisher]

OK

A flight Attendant job should not be sent to a pilot. If I have by PM a member number,, I can check that out.

ALL COMPANIES can use it for FREE. Not only ones that require membership.

As you can also see, we are set up so that the companies can post their own jobs and do searches themselves. That leads sometimes to multiple postings, errors of all kinds, emails sent to people who are not intended to get them. For the most part it works as designed.

Very few require membership but the Primary Users wanted AEPS to provide the software for their employment pages. In addition, they receive some additonal benefits. Free booth space at Airfairs is one example. Most found the Airfairs to be a tremendous tool. Yesterday, both Comair and ACA were indicating how important they thought the face to face airfair meetings were. For these services, they agree to hire mostly from the membership database/

One difference between Air Inc and AEPS is in what we charge for Airfairs and the relationship with companies. As most companies pay for booth space, they are there because they are hiring. At Air Inc, they can come for free and hence show up even when not hiring.

As to the TV show, why should we not have this for members? Any income that we get from advertisers keeps the service down at the low rates. Are we obligated to provide this to everyone? It is quite expensive.

As I pointed out elsewhere, of the membership, about 50% are pilots, 25% are maintenance, and the other 25% various other jobs. Of the total membership, about 20% are non US. The companies and people who support us wanted the ability to email and search at will and they have it.

We send out a bunch of information be email. It in fact is our only general means of communicating with the membership. It is also set up so that is the main way that companies using the system can communicate.

This leads to a bunch of email. That is good and bad. Does it mess up, yes. On the other hand, when we were sending out our furlough and hiring status list update notice to the entire email list, we got less than 10 requests for removal in two weeks.