Still think we're better off without ALPA?

[fifty30retard]

Oh yes cause ALPA has had its shares of wins in terms of getting that revenue. The only revenue they guarantee getting is 2% of yours.

All the power to you, if you think ALPA is your meal ticket go for it.

You work at a 35% discount to SWA, your peer. What's with 2%? You people are stupid.

 

[fifty30retard]

Bankruptcy does a wonder for the majority of the carriers you list. The other actually charges the proper amount for their product and makes boatloads of cash unlike passenger airlines.

You work for a company bringing in $5 billion a year with 167 airplanes and you're too scared and blue to ask for your share. Good work. This place is very very very far away from bankruptcy, it is centered on all the disposable income in America, New York City.

Wake up, the money slips by every day and you won't see a dime without a CBA.

 

[CitationLover]

You work at a 35% discount to SWA, your peer. What's with 2%? You people are stupid.

Us airways - in house but long time ALPA. How do they compare to SWA?

How about united?

I notice you didnt list Virgin. I'm betting management looks at them as a peer.

Selectively comparing to the outlier is nice. Your 2% at ALPA gains you nothing, your down 2% till the next CBA.

 

[CitationLover]

Actually you are wrong. Jetblue does set the premiums. The benefits of self-insured are more company biased than employee. Under self-funded plans, the employer decides what benefits are offered, determines whether claims are appropriate, and processes and pays claims. Provided it complies with certain federal regs and with the improved cash flow of the plan it can set the premiums or subsidize them further. Though Jetblue limits our access to plan literature and data the 33% increases we are subject to this year alone indicates a significant lack of subsidy.
Under a CBA the issues above are negotiated and not simply passed on to the employee.

No, you're wrong. If what you say is true, jetBlue could sell insurance. They price the plan through insurance companies who create all of what you list and they underwrite it and administer it. Underwrite = set the rates. JetBlue then gets a total cost and sets a subsidy based on a corporate decision. Sounds like they're decreasing said subsidy just like 99% of all employers out there. You think ALPA can stop a freight train like that? You're dreaming. Be realistic. Howd they do post 9/11 with that freight train?

You are also in lala land with the CBA. You negotiate health care rates every year when costs and plan provisions and networks dramatically swing? How long is the average CBA negotiated, three years? Say Obamacare comes into being what then? A CBA is the dumbest place to negotiate a benefits package, especially retirement ones (as the active members could give a crap about retired ones who pay no dues).

 

[Fubijaakr]

I bet the CA in BDL is wishing he had a Union rep about now. Hope it never happens to you.

 

[UpNDownGuy]

No, you're wrong. If what you say is true, jetBlue could sell insurance. They price the plan through insurance companies who create all of what you list and they underwrite it and administer it. Underwrite = set the rates. JetBlue then gets a total cost and sets a subsidy based on a corporate decision. Sounds like they're decreasing said subsidy just like 99% of all employers out there. You think ALPA can stop a freight train like that? You're dreaming. Be realistic. Howd they do post 9/11 with that freight train?

You are also in lala land with the CBA. You negotiate health care rates every year when costs and plan provisions and networks dramatically swing? How long is the average CBA negotiated, three years? Say Obamacare comes into being what then? A CBA is the dumbest place to negotiate a benefits package, especially retirement ones (as the active members could give a crap about retired ones who pay no dues).

Please tell me you don't work for JetBlue, and never want to work here.

We don't need number 1184 on the clueless train.

 

[CitationLover]

Please tell me you don't work for JetBlue, and never want to work here.

We don't need number 1184 on the clueless train.

That's a great rate of return on your potential two percent. ALPAs track record must be outstanding in owning management in say the last 10 years. I guess I am clueless. Bet the winner.

I've said nothing about JetBlue management or gave an opinion on them yet you think I'm their stooge. I'm sure they're quite clueless and care only about the next quarter as every other senior management team in corporate America thinks. I am just trying to save you 2% that's all.

 

[UpNDownGuy]

Thanks, I'm a big boy and can make my own decisions.

I've been ALPA twice in my career, and IBT once. I've also been on two ALPA organizing committees, and held virtually every position in ALPA leadership. I know what I'm getting with ALPA, and as someone currently employed by JB, I can tell you we need them. I don't care about 2% dues when they can screw around with my insurance and pay at will, and I have zero job security.

 

[fifty30retard]

Thanks, I'm a big boy and can make my own decisions.

I've been ALPA twice in my career, and IBT once. I've also been on two ALPA organizing committees, and held virtually every position in ALPA leadership. I know what I'm getting with ALPA, and as someone currently employed by JB, I can tell you we need them. I don't care about 2% dues when they can screw around with my insurance and pay at will, and I have zero job security.

Exactly. When you work at a 35% discount (total cost as expressed in PCASM), 2% is nothing, in fact it's less than 2%, it's 1.95%.

Negotiating a competitive compensation and benefit package on par with Alaska/Hawaiian/SWA is the answer. $5 billion is a lot of money to leave on the table.

 

[StarChecker]

I bet the CA in BDL is wishing he had a Union rep about now. Hope it never happens to you.

You are unfortunately 100% correct. They now have him making recordings for the whole company to hear how his statement was taken out of context. He's the headline of our company website. It's positively terrifying.

But 1193 dopes are fine with that...:angryfire

 

[StarChecker]

I am just trying to save you 2% that's all.

I'm sure the Captain of Flt 504 is perfectly thrilled he's saving 2%. You're right, you get absolutely NOTHING for your 2%....

 

[CitationLover]

Without 2% all the ca had to say was speak to my attorney and say no. Not my fault he doesn't have a back bone.

 

[CitationLover]

Exactly. When you work at a 35% discount (total cost as expressed in PCASM), 2% is nothing, in fact it's less than 2%, it's 1.95%.

Negotiating a competitive compensation and benefit package on par with Alaska/Hawaiian/SWA is the answer. $5 billion is a lot of money to leave on the table.

You actually think ALPA will negotiate a SWA raise. Who is drinking Kool-aid here?

All the JetBlue pilots have a say in the matter. It's called two feet and walk out the door. Sadly if it really is as bad as you say, people will not want to come there. Think that will fly in our profession?

 

[StarChecker]

Without 2% all the ca had to say was speak to my attorney and say no. Not my fault he doesn't have a back bone.

His what?!?! What was that word? A-T-T-O-R-N-E-Y??

What attorney? From where? Who pays for an attorney?

You're right again. MUCH cheaper to not pay 2% and pay for an attorney out of his own pocket.

You don't work here and you don't know what you're talking about. But you'd make a great VP of Ops...we may be posting for one soon.

 

[CitationLover]

His what?!?! What was that word? A-T-T-O-R-N-E-Y??

What attorney? From where? Who pays for an attorney?

You're right again. MUCH cheaper to not pay 2% and pay for an attorney out of his own pocket.

You don't work here and you don't know what you're talking about. But you'd make a great VP of Ops...we may be posting for one soon.

You must not know any attorneys, most of whom would have jizzed in their pants to take on his case with the publicity it generated.

Better call Saul.

 

[Smarta$$]

That's a great rate of return on your potential two percent. ALPAs track record must be outstanding in owning management in say the last 10 years. I guess I am clueless. Bet the winner.

I've said nothing about JetBlue management or gave an opinion on them yet you think I'm their stooge. I'm sure they're quite clueless and care only about the next quarter as every other senior management team in corporate America thinks. I am just trying to save you 2% that's all.

You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[CitationLover]

You don't know what you are talking about.

Any facts to back that blanket stmt?

 

[Splert]

You do realize 90+% work without a CBA in this country and somehow survive?

90% of the world errr USA don't work in a seniority system.

That is why we need a CBA among other things like the IRC.

 

[Dizel8]

Having an attorney in his case would be nice, having 2300 of his fellow pilots and ALPA legal behind him would be so much better.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Having an attorney in his case would be nice, having 2300 of his fellow pilots and ALPA legal behind him would be so much better.

Amen, Dizel. For those who say, "Hire your own attorney," here's the scenario.

You get called in but say "I'll bring my attorney." They say, never mind, you're fired.

It takes you a couple years to get your job back and then its with a LARGE target on you. Guess what happens on your next sim ride?

With ALPA, there's a system of discipline and appeal that happen WHILE you're still employed.

Yeah, that's worth 2% to me.