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mwmav8r01

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What airlines are where? I saw UA is recalling 1200 FAs that is a good sign. How is NW and AA?

Thanks

Matt
 

yaks

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AA over-furloughed and is having some problems because of it. Looking at profitable quarter though probably not for the year. Recalls on the order of 3-500 by next spring.
 

festus

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NWA has about 500 pilots on furlough still. Plans are to start recalling again in early 2006. Of course all subject to change.
 

GVFlyer

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mwmav8r01 said:
What airlines are where? I saw UA is recalling 1200 FAs that is a good sign. How is NW and AA?

Thanks

Matt

The United recall is in part in response to retirement and other forms of attrition.

From a standpoint of their stock, this is how the airlines have done so far this year.

AirTran...-16.0%

Alaska...-11%

America West...-9.9%

American...+11.6%

Continental...-0.1%

Delta...-53.5%

JetBlue...-13.7%

MidWest Express...-19.2%

Northwest...-62.2%

Southwest...-16.5%


GV
 

JohnDoe

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quote:

"NWA........Plans are to start recalling again in early 2006."


Really??? And that comes from where..........?
 
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Midnight Flyer

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AA is really short of pilots (like everybody is), but they're wanting to avoid having to recall any pilots. The summer is the busiest flying season, but it is also when we pilots like to take our vacations. AA is asking pilots to postpone their vacations until later in the year. Mgmt is thinking that if at least some pilots postpone their vacations until the fall when the busy travel season is over, they won't have to recall any furloughed pilots. Stupid beancouters!!


(just hearsay)
 

AA717driver

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Midnight--Yeah, they want you to vacation in those prime first two weeks of November... :rolleyes:

AMR still wants you to "take one for the team". I'm sure they'll remember that when contract time rolls around again (next decade! ;) ) TC
 

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Continental

I’m glad to see Continental is hiring, but I’m just wondering why they have the need for so many additional pilots given the current state of the pax industry?

Is it to catch up for past attrition? Did a lot of the furlougees choose not return? Or are they expanding their fleet? Or all of the above?

Just curios.

Congrats to all those who get the call from Continental.

CE
 

festus

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quote:

"NWA........Plans are to start recalling again in early 2006."


Really??? And that comes from where..........?

Comes from Crew Planning & Staffing's Bulletin for November 2005 Flying.
 

mwmav8r01

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When recalls start at some of the other airlines what is the % that will actually take the recall. Seems like when CO started recalling it went VERY fast, is that just because CO has their stuff together? Or will there be a lot of people who will have gone to greener pastures?

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spanky2

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DAL is about half way thru recalling all of its fu'd pilots. Acceptance rate hovers around 50% total ... with extremes in any given month. Recent example: there are 10 recall slots for Aug 2005 and all 10 pilots either bypassed or took MLOA ... so a big jump down the seniority list happens.
 

spanky2

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There were / are 2 fu'd groups at DAL that totalled 1310 (or so) pilots. There is the FM I crowd (1060 pilots) who were fu'd "due to the lingering effects of 9-11." This furlough ran from from Nov 01 thru Jan 03. These pilots began to be recalled in June 04 based on a judge's ruling about equalling pre-9-11 RPM numbers. This recall rate was to be 30 per month until all were recalled by summer 06. The new PWA, signed last Nov 04, thru this out the window, and allowed DAL to recall at the needs of the company, until all are recalled by summer 2008, and there is no "no-furlough" clause. DAL has agreed to recall at least 100 pilots between June and Dec 2005. If so, there will be about 400 pilots still fu'd. The plug seniority number (the infamous Troy Kane) at DAL is 7326 as of 1 Jul 2005 ... he was about #10,200 when DAL quit hiring in summer 2001 ... PRIOR to 9-11.


Then there was the FM II crowd (250 pilots) who were fu'd at the on-set of Gulf War II, from Apr 03 to June 03 ... they were all quickly recalled by Oct 03 when Uncle Leo realized he had no leg to stand on and was about to get a judge's ruling crammed down his pencil neck.

Note: Uncle Leo had created the upper mgt SERP just before this furlough. He is now on a Pacific Island counting his $16M ... watching the code share flights.
 
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