Standard Vs Glass

[speedbird18]

I am looking at flight schools to do my PPL, and several seem to be split between conventional guage cockpit and Garmin glass cockpits. Which should I use? The schools with Glass say that this is now the way to go, is this true, Does it really matter?

Thanks

 

[minitour]

Private - as little instrumentation as possible. It's a VFR rating...LOOK OUTSIDE.

For the instrument, if you've got a G1000 airplane, please learn the basic attitude stuff in a standard 6 pack airplane...learn your partial panel...shoot some approaches. Then pop into the G1000, do the XC and checkride prep...just make sure you get some 6 pack for the instrument.

Commercial - same as private.

-mini

 

[Princedietrich]

You definitely need to get exposed to both glass AND steam gauges during training. Once you get out there into the "real world" you're going to encounter both, and being trained in only one or the other is going to present a handicap eventually.

Definitely learn the basics of instrument flying with a 6 pack of steam gauges, then move on to the fancy glass toys for the XC stuff.

 

[time builder]

Glass is cool, if you can afford it. However, I've only been asked once if I had any "glass" time (in a flight instructor interview). "Does Microsoft count?" I asked. She just laughed. I got the job anyway.

 

[timeoff]

"Glass" time for primary instruction is a complete waste of money. Find the cheapest 150/152 you can and get your private in that. We have two G1000 172's at my school and they seem to never move. The ratty 172's are always booked at least a week out.

 

[Andrew_VT]

I agree, glass is a marketing tool for flight schools to hook uneducated new canidates, or for aircraft companies to have an excuse for charging a half million for a 1000lbs of aluminum.

 

[eagle06]

Private with steam. Do some of both for the instrument.

 

[flyer172r]

With the glass, there's a lot of "gee-whiz" things to distract you while flying. You don't need that when you're just starting out. You gotta crawl before you can walk.

 

[Wiggums]

I think everyone should learn to fly in an olive green 1973 C-172 with 12,000 hours and TKM radios. Bonus if it still has original Cessna ADF. Man up.

If you learn in a new glass airplane you will look back and feel you missed something.

 

[svcta]

Ever wonder why so many SR-___s have fallen out of the sky this year alone? Train in something that will develope your skills as an AIRMAN not a systems manager. I am going to go so far as to say this is not only my opinion, but something I think will save lives.

 

[unreal]

I think everyone should learn to fly in an olive green 1973 C-172 with 12,000 hours and TKM radios. Bonus if it still has original Cessna ADF. Man up.

If you learn in a new glass airplane you will look back and feel you missed something.

Agreed. My school is getting G1000 C172s next summer, and all I can think is how ridiculous it'll be trying to teach someone pilotage and basic "look outside the damn cockpit" skills. We need to invent MFD sized instrument covers.

 

[Princedietrich]

I think everyone should learn to fly in an olive green 1973 C-172 with 12,000 hours and TKM radios. Bonus if it still has original Cessna ADF. Man up.

If you learn in a new glass airplane you will look back and feel you missed something.

You just perfectly described the plane I took my private ride in.

 

[eagle06]

svcta - agree 100%. When i fly with my primary student in a SR20 i usually turn off the PFD for half of the manuvers. really screws em up but they need the practice.

 

[FLYHY]

Go to the school that has the better reputation and the better maintained aircraft.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

6 pack it for all your training, use microsoft flight sim for glass exposure. Every airline has training on their aircraft built in that is specific to its avionics. Your not going to get any help from any of the current single engine flight displays. You never unlearn how to fly a six pack, but you're going to have to unlearn the G1000. Total waste of time and money.

 

[BRIGADEAVIATOR]

sdfghj

Go to the school that has the better reputation and the better maintained aircraft.

I totally agree here, can't go wrong with that decision. I also think it comes down to what the students goals are. If a student wants to buy an analog gauge airplane after getting their certificate, it makes no sense to train glass. If you rent ac at another school that has only analog ac, well it wouldn't be too smart to train glass as well. Just like when VOR's were new, people were reluctant towards change.

 

[svcta]

I totally agree here, can't go wrong with that decision. I also think it comes down to what the students goals are. If a student wants to buy an analog gauge airplane after getting their certificate, it makes no sense to train glass. If you rent ac at another school that has only analog ac, well it wouldn't be too smart to train glass as well. Just like when VOR's were new, people were reluctant towards change.

If the student's goals are to learn to be an airman then he/she needs to learn how to get by without all that "gee-whiz" sh!t. This is not reluctance to change, I love technology, but not being able to get lost as a student is not good for training. All of this "glass" stuff is designed to prevent navigational uncertainty and imperfections in instrumentation and interfacing with a human. But that's precisely where students begin to learn what limitations are all about. Not really knowing where you are for a second, wondering if a gauge is off a little or broken all together and having to cross check it, the list goes on and on.

Think about how you would have felt if during your training you would never have had that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach. Those are the moments that scared you "straight". All of these guys and gals falling from the sky in their new, fancy airplanes have all been in over their heads as far as I can see. Honestly, it hasn't been a bunch of 1976 C-172s crashing lately, has it?

 

[BRIGADEAVIATOR]

asdfgh

From the beginning we set the gps on the ground direct for the home airport. That way the airplane becomes a "kite" with a imaginary string attatched to the airport. So if the student may become uncertain as to where they are simply direct enter enter and follow the pink line to the airport.

 

[svcta]

From the beginning we set the gps on the ground direct for the home airport. That way the airplane becomes a "kite" with a imaginary string attatched to the airport. So if the student may become uncertain as to where they are simply direct enter enter and follow the pink line to the airport.

Thanks for making my point. Have you ever let a student get so lost that they had to land and ask for phone book or local paper to get a city name?

I don't think you grasp the point I'm trying to make.

 

[BRIGADEAVIATOR]

sdfa

Nope but i was at corona KAJO earlier in the year and this 152 pulled up and asked where he was; apparently he was supposed to go to Hemet airport. (his instructor was pissed when he was flown up in an archer from San Diego area to fly back with him).